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New Re: Convictions ?? Nay -
Your late Grammy must have been a piece of work. Mine (1899-1993) was a devout and bigoted Irish Catholic who referred to the Prots at least once in my hearing as "Filthy Orangemen." I think she went to her grave without ever knowing that her daughter, edging away from the Mother Church, had her second child baptized Episcopalian late in 1952 (I myself did not learn this until almost sixteen years later, to give you an idea of the rigor of my own religious education).

cordially,
"Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
New Heh.. Let him who is without sine
Go off on a tangent.

The Patriarch who owned the military academy I resided in (and a string of other inconsequential places - though 'ours' was fully accredited for shipments to West Point yada & yada and the scholastics prove to have been 'Good') was an Evangelical type.

Would periodically show up for 'chapel' [march in. march out.] with his fav Accordion Player Guy! [nope, not making this up]. and {cackle}. Fortunately my roomies, before I got the rank to be left alone (!) were at worst, non-theologically oriented and at best.. budding anti-theologicians.

Anyway and overall - it was a Gas. And there was a lot of freedom, if you learned how to seize it. A few years ago I had the distinct pleasure of finding my old chem/physics teacher and comparing notes. The trust he had offered, in giving me the key to the chem shack (that, and music!) certainly saved me from committing homicide or other distractions. Ah.. Providence.

And our Engl. prof had us read A Doll's House -with comprehension-. I was ready for de-chatteling of females, long before I had the words. So I bear no ill-will towards what might be too easily caricatured as 'provincial'; I got to see the beneficent side of Corp Religion through later-on accidental acquaintance with a (Episcopal?) priest - surely among the wisest of folks yet met.

(I played some Purcell in his small SF church, occasionally. Trumpet is enhanced when an *organ* accompanies; the long reverb-time also stirs Psyche. Recommended therapy, but: practice practice. And find an accompanist who can transpose.. a high-D can kill ya)

So I gather we both have encountered the usual mix of sublime/ridiculous, enough to eschew any of the pop-labels, even if it's fun to skewer the sanctimonious At All Times [?]


Ashton
Pace pace O Mio Dio!
Opera teaches us that the best way to Do War is to sing about it.
Instead.
New I think what we all benefitted from was a mentor
I had several, one who was convinced I would die of an overdose at a young age. No matter how long between visits he was always gracious enough to invite me in for coffee, manatee cigarettes and updates. On one quick visit from the frozen north he explained he had lung cancer. All the local busybodies insisted it was aids due to his sexual orientation. A gentle man lived in quiet dignity surrounded by peckerwoods always waiting for mistep to form a lynching.
Another although we were not close was instrumental in teaching me gentleness. An Anglican Pastor him and his wife enjoyed long discourses about the nature of man, religion and his library of classics was always open.
One more was the kind cocktail waitress/hooker who looked the other way when I was sixteen and inhabiting the bar. She had a great collecton of blues and jazz that she could play because she was the owners daughter. Many told her to shut it off but she would shrug her ample shoulders mutter in Ukranian and turn it up. Cops never bothered them because she was the only action in town.
The best was a german survivor of Stalingrad who taught me humor is available for all occasions especially when the shit hits the fan and never sweat little stuff like death, bankrupcy or poverty because the spirit will overcome.
thanx,
bill
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"If you want to meet a group of people who have a profound distrust of, and hostility toward, our legal system, don't waste your time on political radicals; interview a random selection of crime victims, and you will probably find that they make the former group look like utopian idealists by comparison." Dave Robicheaux
New Never had one
I have no one to blame for all my faults.

I did have a cultured, old world friend who allowed me to know that such people existed.
-drl
     A. de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, about 1830 - (deSitter) - (19)
         What a sobering dialogue - Hmmmm, this caught my attn - (dmarker)
         You sifted that whole thing to grasp one limp straw? - (marlowe) - (13)
             Wow, completely ahistorical - (jake123) - (2)
                 THAT was the whole point - (deSitter) - (1)
                     Well, the good things he said are still as true. - (marlowe)
             I don't hate America - (cwbrenn) - (1)
                 Not even them - (deSitter)
             Re: You sifted that whole thing to grasp one limp straw? - (rcareaga) - (7)
                 Convictions ?? Nay - - (Ashton) - (4)
                     Re: Convictions ?? Nay - - (rcareaga) - (3)
                         Heh.. Let him who is without sine - (Ashton) - (2)
                             I think what we all benefitted from was a mentor - (boxley) - (1)
                                 Never had one - (deSitter)
                 More impotent rage from the peanut gallery! - (marlowe) - (1)
                     When you can't attack the message... - (inthane-chan)
         A neat thing about de T - (Ashton) - (3)
             Re: A neat thing about de T - (rcareaga) - (2)
                 :) -NT - (boxley)
                 Of all sad words of tongue or pen - (Ashton)

I enjoy this motorcade and will recommend it to my niece.
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