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Post #81,995
by bepatient
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2/16/03 12:45:14 AM
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New Box did well.
Because even without support the Aussies would've gotten that trade agreement.

Turkey was going to get military assistance at least...and money guarantees most likely...simply due to geography...the US is pushing NATO to offer this support...to the point of nearly destroying the organization...or did you miss that little piece of the news.

And, as Box pointed out (by repeating what I have stated in other places) France, Germany, Russia and China financially benefit from the status quo...simply because they've been continuously violating the commercial rules they agreed to. France contracted with Hussein for control of Iraqi oil, Germany has been supplying chemicals to Iraq that along with valid uses can also be used to build WMD...etc...

Its >convenient< for the French to say "our people don't support action"...since they know their inaction will mean billions in revenue.

And I suppose you're bringing up Soviet war attrocities as some point about the US dividing the "spoils" of Iraq as incentive or some such nonsense. I wasn't a history major...but I do know a bit about it.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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Post #82,013
by dmarker
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2/16/03 9:04:22 AM
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New Re: Box did well.
>>
And I suppose you're bringing up Soviet war attrocities as some point about the US dividing the "spoils" of Iraq as incentive or some such nonsense. I wasn't a history major...but I do know a bit about it.
<<

And this para sums you up to a tee. Doesn't answer the question but posts a tangential response to do with Soviet atrocities, not the fact that Russia was offered the northern part of Poland for signing on board the German invasion. And you know well that that was the point but you didn't have the fortitude to say so. How does this differ from Turkey's buy off other than in scope ? How ???

Cheers

Doug Marker
Fat lack of fortitude here lads
Post #82,030
by bepatient
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2/16/03 10:32:47 AM
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New Well...so far...
...I have you telling me the plans. And I also know that we have committed to not using Turkey to stage an invasion...so why would we promise them anything beyond what NATO provides and the IMF help that we are already giving.

So we commit to give more financial aid...mostly because we left them pretty high and dry after 1991. I've seen no reputable source promising control of northern Iraq to Turkey...only assurances that a separate Kurdish state would not be supported.

So...no...I'd say there is still a substantial historical difference.

But its nice that you have equated the US and Turkey to Hitler and Stalin....and Iraq to Poland. If you really make that association then you must not have studied too hard.

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Post #82,042
by Brandioch
2/16/03 12:00:29 PM
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New That's why I don't bother responding anymore.
All you will get from him are semantic games, lies and tangents.
Post #82,054
by bepatient
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2/16/03 1:17:55 PM
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New Oh really.
Like when I call you on your lies...its too inconvenient for you to respond.

Right.

Like when I ask you to prove your assertions.

Its too inconvenient for you to respond.

It never seem sto stop you from asking for or doing the same.

Funny that. Fear.
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     If your heart must bleed... - (marlowe) - (34) - Feb. 14, 2003, 12:22:10 PM EST
         That's funny. - (Brandioch) - Feb. 14, 2003, 02:06:29 PM EST
         Bleeding Hearts\ufffd - more Human Events / My Gramma's doggerel -NT - (Ashton) - Feb. 14, 2003, 07:11:10 PM EST
         If my heart must bleed.... - (Simon_Jester) - (31) - Feb. 14, 2003, 08:37:51 PM EST
             The ones who signed the Declaration of Independence..... - (Brandioch) - (27) - Feb. 15, 2003, 12:08:40 AM EST
                 Yet we are sure: no Iraqi harbours such feelings. -NT - (Ashton) - (26) - Feb. 15, 2003, 12:58:31 AM EST
                     Noble sentiments and deep values may be lost - (dmarker) - (25) - Feb. 15, 2003, 06:08:15 AM EST
                         I will try to take those questions in the number presented - (boxley) - (24) - Feb. 15, 2003, 10:02:22 AM EST
                             Now let's look at that again. - (Brandioch) - (19) - Feb. 15, 2003, 12:21:47 PM EST
                                 Yes...lets do. - (bepatient) - (11) - Feb. 15, 2003, 12:25:19 PM EST
                                     No evidence required - (bbronson) - (2) - Feb. 15, 2003, 01:46:00 PM EST
                                         Of course. - (bepatient) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2003, 02:00:08 PM EST
                                             :-) -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 15, 2003, 03:37:07 PM EST
                                     How many times do we have to explain - (dmarker) - (7) - Feb. 15, 2003, 09:29:57 PM EST
                                         As is usual in international relations - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2003, 07:27:31 PM EST
                                             Box you have an annoying habit of hijacking - (dmarker) - Feb. 15, 2003, 08:00:24 PM EST
                                         Box did well. - (bepatient) - (4) - Feb. 16, 2003, 12:45:14 AM EST
                                             Re: Box did well. - (dmarker) - (3) - Feb. 16, 2003, 09:04:22 AM EST
                                                 Well...so far... - (bepatient) - Feb. 16, 2003, 10:32:47 AM EST
                                                 That's why I don't bother responding anymore. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2003, 12:00:29 PM EST
                                                     Oh really. - (bepatient) - Feb. 16, 2003, 01:17:55 PM EST
                                 Weve been in a state of war with Korea for 50yrs whats 12? -NT - (boxley) - (6) - Feb. 15, 2003, 07:47:04 PM EST
                                     Box, Shooting from the lip again ... - (dmarker) - (5) - Feb. 15, 2003, 08:24:18 PM EST
                                         Brandioch often wants it both ways, why cant I :-) -NT - (boxley) - (4) - Feb. 15, 2003, 08:41:49 PM EST
                                             Artful dodger tries to deflect yet again :-) -NT - (dmarker) - Feb. 15, 2003, 09:25:07 PM EST
                                             What "both ways"? - (Brandioch) - (2) - Feb. 16, 2003, 02:23:23 AM EST
                                                 See! :-) proof, thanx brandi -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2003, 10:14:18 AM EST
                                                     Wow. Quit lying so much Box ;) -NT - (bepatient) - Feb. 16, 2003, 10:34:03 AM EST
                             Box - will resp later today BUT is this best pro-war can do? - (dmarker) - (3) - Feb. 15, 2003, 07:29:35 PM EST
                                 anticipation, anticipation -NT - (boxley) - (2) - Feb. 15, 2003, 07:43:56 PM EST
                                     Response here, oh 6-sided one <grin> - (dmarker) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2003, 09:12:57 AM EST
                                         Ill redo this in another topic entry (new thread) - (boxley) - Feb. 16, 2003, 10:34:13 AM EST
             But we're going to be in the neighborhood anyway. - (marlowe) - (2) - Feb. 15, 2003, 01:22:18 PM EST
                 So where does the rest fall? - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2003, 08:03:53 PM EST
                     On Saddam himself, of course. - (marlowe) - Feb. 18, 2003, 04:48:15 PM EST

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