Post #71,321
12/29/02 3:21:34 PM
12/29/02 3:22:25 PM
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Re: More or less.
What a braggart. You think this impresses anyone? You're a geek for the defense industry?
I worked on Star Wars. It made me ill to think I worked hard all day to such a ridiculous end.
(BTW I know geeks in the defense industry. None of them are remotely like you.)
-drl
Edited by deSitter
Dec. 29, 2002, 03:22:25 PM EST
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Post #71,332
12/29/02 4:54:47 PM
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Whence such cattiness?
Remember, the basis of comparison is blowhards who are doing NOTHING at all to combat terrorism. Does that impress you more?
P.S. Missile defense is beginning to definite signs of progress, toward ridding the world of fear of nuclear holocaust. I should think you'd be proud. Unless you actually *like* fear of nuclear holocaust.
Honestly, your response makes no sense at all, no matter how I try to look at it.
No appeasement for oil!
The reason I don't budge is I'm waiting for you to catch up.
"What must it feel like to lose an election to a retarded monkey?" - Andrew Sullivan
"The US party calls in mortar fire on the enemy positions. The UN party stands up, climbs over the lip of the trench, and recites Robert\ufffds Rules of Order as it approaches the machine-gun positions." - Lileks
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
With luck: [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@jbf~W~x49RjZfyJwplqwurpNmg0PAgM/marlowe//|http://pascal.rockfo...mg0PAgM/marlowe//]
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Post #71,355
12/29/02 6:07:31 PM
12/29/02 6:11:28 PM
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Re: Whence such cattiness?
You know, you're probably a decent guy to have a beer with, talk tech, shoot pool...but your attitudes about "us and them" are juvenile. The world is not black and white. If you were a real tech-patriot you'd be championing what we can create and where we can go with it, rather than wanting to do Global Political Bowling, where we go around knocking down glass pins.
BTW missile defense is practically precluded by the laws of gravity and electrodynamics. Decoys fall just like missles. There will never be a damn thing you can do about this. As has been pointed out, shoot-at-launch requires an orbital infrastructure that is beyond practical realization.
-drl
Edited by deSitter
Dec. 29, 2002, 06:11:28 PM EST
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Post #71,491
12/30/02 11:07:07 AM
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Shades of gray: the last refuge of one who has no argument
It's the rhetorical equivalent of kicking the gameboard and storming off in a huff. Nobody with the least bit of self confidence settles for using the sort of bullshit you just coughed up. I'm embarrased for you.
Those weren't no glass pins attacked us on 9/11. I'm sorry you're so intolerant that you must demand others see in shades of gray, and have no room for anyone else's black or white. I can only wonder how you came to be that constricted. But that's your problem, not mine.
And don't talk to me about creating, when you're defending the cause of those who would destroy our civilization. The first step to building a house that will last is wiping out the termite mounds on the site. That's just common sense. But I guess you're too sophisticated for that.
The biggest problem with you people who preach non-judgementalism is you're too devoid of self-reflection to see your own obvious hypocrisy. In your view, I can't do what needs doing, but you can condemn me for daring to see things other than in your bland gray color scheme? The funny thing is you actually think anyone's going to submit to that.
Be honest. There's no such thing as non-judgement. Every being that is semi-sentient or better judges. Thinking beings judge intelligently. People like you judge stupidly - and hypocritically. But we all judge.
Pardon me if I don't give a damn for your black-and-white judgement of me. I'm too busy doing something useful.
Where's Abdul Rahman Yasin?
The reason I don't budge is I'm waiting for you to catch up.
"What must it feel like to lose an election to a retarded monkey?" - Andrew Sullivan
"The US party calls in mortar fire on the enemy positions. The UN party stands up, climbs over the lip of the trench, and recites Robert\ufffds Rules of Order as it approaches the machine-gun positions." - Lileks
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
With luck: [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@jbf~W~x49RjZfyJwplqwurpNmg0PAgM/marlowe//|http://pascal.rockfo...mg0PAgM/marlowe//]
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Post #71,497
12/30/02 11:23:45 AM
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The king of unintentional irony strikes again.
Never having seen you actually "argue", the irony is especially rich.
Why should we ask our military to die for cheap oil when the rest of us aren't even being asked to get better mileage?
-[link|http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=14107|Molly Ivins]
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Post #71,524
12/30/02 2:15:52 PM
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You don't even know what an argument is.
I post links to documented events in the real world, which happen to add up to my conclusions, because my conclusions are derived from the real world. For the benefit of the slightly dense, I then point out how the reference pertains to the subject matter (How Doug Marker hates it when I do that!) I also cite pertient principles of common sense. But common sense is another thing that just whooshes over your head.
An argument made of pertinet and documented facts the most valid kind of argument there is. Ultimately, it's the only really valid kind of argument.
I don't know what you would call an argument. In fact, I can't recall many instances of you making anything I would call an argument. Mostly just lots of whining, and shades of gray talk when you're confronted with facts. I could do that if I wanted to, but it's beneath me. I prefer to make *real* arguments. The kind that consist of documented facts that pertain to the subject. You didn't even know how to find things on the Web until I told you how. And you still don't know how to make connections between things.
Where's Abdul Rahman Yasin?
The reason I don't budge is I'm waiting for you to catch up.
"What must it feel like to lose an election to a retarded monkey?" - Andrew Sullivan
"The US party calls in mortar fire on the enemy positions. The UN party stands up, climbs over the lip of the trench, and recites Robert\ufffds Rules of Order as it approaches the machine-gun positions." - Lileks
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
With luck: [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@jbf~W~x49RjZfyJwplqwurpNmg0PAgM/marlowe//|http://pascal.rockfo...mg0PAgM/marlowe//]
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Post #71,526
12/30/02 2:52:28 PM
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Like your position about using the military for security?
"Common sense"? Or how about how you did the 180 degree shuffle on the BEST way to get al Queda. I post links to documented events in the real world, which happen to add up to my conclusions, because my conclusions are derived from the real world. That same argument has been stated by every paranoid delusional that ever existed. The only "proof" is PREDICTION. That is why I can PREDICT that you will NOT reveal the super-secret government department to defeat terrorism that you work for. Because you don't. And so forth. Those who are DELUSIONAL will ALWAYS find some link to validate their world views. Whether it be nasty terrorists or a secret Zionist cabal. Those who are not delusional will be able to accurately predict the events.
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Post #71,532
12/30/02 3:36:15 PM
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Guess not
Going by your usual pattern, an argument consists of;
1. Insulting your opponent's intelligence.
2. Calling your opponent names.
3. Ignoring/belittling any opposing views.
How utterly charming.
Using your rules;
You stupid little prick.
There, I win.
Why should we ask our military to die for cheap oil when the rest of us aren't even being asked to get better mileage?
-[link|http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=14107|Molly Ivins]
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Post #71,676
12/31/02 2:56:49 AM
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As much as I hate replying to my own post....
Yep, I win.
Why should we ask our military to die for cheap oil when the rest of us aren't even being asked to get better mileage?
-[link|http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=14107|Molly Ivins]
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Post #71,585
12/30/02 7:19:13 PM
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From the sublime to the ridiculous
'Marlowe' says .....
"I prefer to make *real* arguments. The kind that consist of documented facts that pertain to the subject."
'M'arlowe' previously posted ...
"Don't talk to me about the Shanghai miracle. It's a mirage."
'Marlowe' - where are your supporting 'facts' to back up the above ???.
But I want to point out that the former CEO of GE (Jack Welsh sp?) two weeks back was interviewed on US TV about China and stated that the US's greatest competition was now going to come from a vitalised & booming China.
Please prove you have 'facts' I would like to see you back up your statement.
DSM
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Post #71,603
12/30/02 8:27:48 PM
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Your naive belief in the possibility of political 'facts'
isn't even touching. You appear to imagine that a link to another true-Believer of this idiotic idea - will somehow cancel-out the selective data-taking within every pundit's arsenal.
Hey.. to my Gramma's early training about * "you and yours", I can add a ref to the Terry Gross interview with Gene Simmons. His style of didactic assertion of The Truth matches yours in smugness and hubris -- but then he lives to get laid, and counts the events. But one has to look deeper to find the source of his obnoxious persona on & off 'stage'. What's your excuse?
* you are so fond of that Your Kind smarl - oblivious to the 'fact' that it's a dead giveaway to a mindset obv. planted in your impressionable young mind; Hell - that one is a litmus all alone!
Only fools put the definite article in front of the word-idea truth, on any topic - but especially as applied to the guaranteed spin within every political blab-word which means to emote and not enlighten.
Will see ya and Your Kind at the polls, when it's time to end this Black Tulip charade, this base insult to Language as produces.. War on Evil, War on Sin, War is Peace & Liberty and the other laughable doggerel generated by your fav Village Idiot.
Ashton
When the rich assemble to concern themselves with the business of the poor, it is called Charity. When the poor assemble to concern themselves with the business of the rich, it is called Anarchy.
-Paul Richards
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Post #71,508
12/30/02 12:02:28 PM
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Re: Shades of gray: the last refuge of one who has no
And don't talk to me about creating, when you're defending the cause of those who would destroy our civilization. The first step to building a house that will last is wiping out the termite mounds on the site. That's just common sense. But I guess you're too sophisticated for that.
Really? I've said before I'm for hunting them down like the vermin they are and terminating with extreme prejudice. This need not, should not, involve a general war unless a specific state is directly responsible. Unfortunately, there is no "Terraq" to attack.
-drl
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Post #71,521
12/30/02 1:58:39 PM
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Hunting down who now?
Don't tell me you still buy into the the no state sponsorship theory.
This is not a law enforcement matter. This is a war.
Where's Abdul Rahman Yasin?
The reason I don't budge is I'm waiting for you to catch up.
"What must it feel like to lose an election to a retarded monkey?" - Andrew Sullivan
"The US party calls in mortar fire on the enemy positions. The UN party stands up, climbs over the lip of the trench, and recites Robert\ufffds Rules of Order as it approaches the machine-gun positions." - Lileks
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
With luck: [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@jbf~W~x49RjZfyJwplqwurpNmg0PAgM/marlowe//|http://pascal.rockfo...mg0PAgM/marlowe//]
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Post #71,530
12/30/02 3:11:47 PM
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Re: Hunting down who now?
blockquote from the blockhead: This is not a law enforcement matter. This is a war. No dufus-boy, this is a law-enforcement matter pure and simple. War is for Lockheed and Martin-Marietta. Period. It's called corporate welfare; c.f. Vietnam War. Or do you declare war on the U.S. when Tim McVeigh blows up a government building? Didn't think so.... jb4
"They lead. They don't manage. The carrot always wins over the stick. Ask your horse. You can lead your horse to water, but you can't manage him to drink."
Richard Kerr, United Technologies Corporation, 1990
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Post #71,535
12/30/02 3:47:23 PM
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Good thing you're not running this war.
`Coz it is one. I'm happy that our current administration has its head out its ass regarding state sponsorship. It's a pity you don't, but that's your problem.
It's all too symptomatic of the cultivated ignorance around here that no one has dared attempt a reply to [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=70380|this].
Where's Abdul Rahman Yasin?
The reason I don't budge is I'm waiting for you to catch up.
"What must it feel like to lose an election to a retarded monkey?" - Andrew Sullivan
"The US party calls in mortar fire on the enemy positions. The UN party stands up, climbs over the lip of the trench, and recites Robert\ufffds Rules of Order as it approaches the machine-gun positions." - Lileks
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
With luck: [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@jbf~W~x49RjZfyJwplqwurpNmg0PAgM/marlowe//|http://pascal.rockfo...mg0PAgM/marlowe//]
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Post #71,539
12/30/02 4:04:37 PM
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Respond to your obsession about Clinton?
You seem to be under the impression that you're making some kind of point by brining up mistakes made during Clinton's administration.
Why?
Is there anyone here who has voiced the opinion that Clinton didn't make any mistakes? I don't think so.
Rather, I have seen post after post of how he was poll-driven and how he happily bombed terrorist sites to distract the public from his sexual errors.
But you're obsessed with Clinton for some reason.
Maybe it is because he stomped Bush and you already know that the current Bush will be a one-term president also.
So you focus your limited intellect on pointing out mistakes Clinton made because you think it will, somehow, validate your faith in the current regime.
Bad news. Bush is fucking up the economy in a big way and no amount of war talk will get him re-elected.
It's the economy, stupid.
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Post #71,563
12/30/02 5:48:26 PM
12/30/02 5:49:39 PM
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The Maji has spoken!
Oh, yeah....Iraq sponsored the "attack on America".
Don't Bogart that joint, my friend...pass it over to me ('cuz it must be some mighty good shit!). Or is it that you just haven't been paying attention? Or can't read? or can't comprehend that which you do read? Or simply choose to ignore what ever facts don't fit into your preconcieved notions? (Now, there's a novel affliction, shared with the current Resident and his "administration". At least you're in...well, I was going to say "good company", but there is very little that is good about that "company"!)
jb4
"They lead. They don't manage. The carrot always wins over the stick. Ask your horse. You can lead your horse to water, but you can't manage him to drink."
Richard Kerr, United Technologies Corporation, 1990
Edited by jb4
Dec. 30, 2002, 05:49:39 PM EST
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Post #71,634
12/30/02 11:03:47 PM
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*Snort*
Don't know why, but the "good company" got me laughin'.
Why should we ask our military to die for cheap oil when the rest of us aren't even being asked to get better mileage?
-[link|http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=14107|Molly Ivins]
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Post #71,623
12/30/02 10:26:20 PM
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Re: Hunting down who now?
Yes, it is a law enforcement matter, and what we need is a posse and a 42 gun salute from the Confederate battery at Fort Sumter, instead of another victorious Yankee army.
-drl
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Post #71,522
12/30/02 2:03:03 PM
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Dude's on one helluva trip.
You really shouldn't be posting while under the influence. Those weren't no glass pins attacked us on 9/11. I'm sorry you're so intolerant that you must demand others see in shades of gray, and have no room for anyone else's black or white. I can only wonder how you came to be that constricted. But that's your problem, not mine. Those were airplanes. Your "missle defense" would not have protected against that. point to deSitter And don't talk to me about creating, when you're defending the cause of those who would destroy our civilization. The first step to building a house that will last is wiping out the termite mounds on the site. That's just common sense. But I guess you're too sophisticated for that. Use of "destroy our civilization". point to deSitter The biggest problem with you people who preach non-judgementalism is you're too devoid of self-reflection to see your own obvious hypocrisy. In your view, I can't do what needs doing, but you can condemn me for daring to see things other than in your bland gray color scheme? The funny thing is you actually think anyone's going to submit to that. deSitter has not "preach[ed] non-judgementalism". point to deSitter Be honest. There's no such thing as non-judgement. Every being that is semi-sentient or better judges. Thinking beings judge intelligently. People like you judge stupidly - and hypocritically. But we all judge. deSitter has not advocated "non-judgementalism". point to deSitter Pardon me if I don't give a damn for your black-and-white judgement of me. I'm too busy doing something useful. The original point being that you aren't doing anything more than paying taxes (if that). You have provided no substantiation for your claim. You have merely restated your claim. point to deSitter
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Post #71,376
12/29/02 8:59:43 PM
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The place of 'value' in a world of digital drones
Yours is the conventional small mind, however well trained in a specialty of micro-smallness. Destruction is always sooo easy, and ever appeals to the deranged - who don't build very well.
The larger minds anywhere or in any era - are those attempting to create a more liveable planet, not a more compact or diabolical killing machine. Techno is easy; it's merely physics + logic. Any idiot savant can manage parts of this better than anyone who claims the conceit of normality.
Overcoming superstitions, clan traditional stupidities and ingrained xenphobic Hate: ah - There's the Real Work. Starting inside. But that is hard, so it isn't popular.
Waving the (anyone's) Fucking Flag - can be done more intenionally by a chimpanzee - for the mere price of a banana afterwards.
Some people will do Anything to feelgoodabouttheirmiserableselves.
When the rich assemble to concern themselves with the business of the poor, it is called Charity. When the poor assemble to concern themselves with the business of the rich, it is called Anarchy.
-Paul Richards
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Post #71,398
12/29/02 10:11:48 PM
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You're still living large in that fantasy.
Remember, the basis of comparison is blowhards who are doing NOTHING at all to combat terrorism. Does that impress you more?
I will guess that such was directed at myself. So, that implies that YOU are doing "something" to "combat terrorism". But you can't say WHAT you're doing? Yeah, and I was one of the elite special forces kung-fu black-ops units and we used to go and do really impressive secret stuff but I can't tell you about it but if I could tell you about it then you'd respect me because I'm so cool when I'm doing my secret stuff. P.S. Missile defense is beginning to definite signs of progress, toward ridding the world of fear of nuclear holocaust. I should think you'd be proud. Unless you actually *like* fear of nuclear holocaust. And if you really WERE doing something along those lines, you'd KNOW that it is useless because there is no way that anyone is going to lob all those nukes at the US now that Russia has broken up. IF someone is going to try to nuke the US (the nation, not our troops in other countries), THEN it will be delivered as CARGO on a ship or a plane or a truck. Now, if you WERE doing something along the lines that you seem to be trying to imply, you would KNOW this. But you aren't so you don't.
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Post #71,528
12/30/02 3:06:10 PM
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Call me when your oh-so-vaunted Missle Defense\ufffd...
...can track and destroy a nuke stashed away in a semi-trailer. Or a railroad boxcar. Until then...don't waste my time or money!
jb4
"They lead. They don't manage. The carrot always wins over the stick. Ask your horse. You can lead your horse to water, but you can't manage him to drink."
Richard Kerr, United Technologies Corporation, 1990
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