LMAO at an Amazon review

I'm pretty sure they change prices for various customers.

I'm not logged into Amazon at the moment, are you?

Anyway...

1 star (of 5) Dear God it'scome to this, October 26, 2002

Reviewer: A reader from Raleigh, NC USA
Here's a few ideas for all we can have fun in the workplace: We cap CEO salaries so they're not making 400 times what the average worker is making. We get a decent national health care system so Americans have a choice besides enslaving themselves to corporations. We give all Americans a decent amount of vacation. We apply labor laws across the board, ending the 60 to 70 hour work week that so many of us now routinely endure. We stop shipping our skilled jobs overseas. That's how we can all have fun in the workplace.

See, here's the problem - if you're a manager who forced this nonsense on your employees you probably didn't bother to ask them if they wanted a toy fish. If they wanted a "sand box." It probably never even occured to you to step up to one of your employees and ask "how would you like to be humiliated and treated like a small child? How would you like to be forced to go home after 9 awful hours and bake cookies for everyone in the office to avoid being labeled 'not a team player'?" Because that's what "living the fish! philosophy" really means.

None of it even occured to you, and that's the problem. From some particularly cruel act of fate you, who think that handing out children's toys to adults is treating them with respect, have somehow become a cog in the ever-turning wheels of power in this country. Somehow, people with the emotinal awareness of 2 year olds and the intellectual debth of sand crabs have taken control, and the rest of us are being forced to suffer for it.

Anything which can be written out on a 3x5 card is not a philosophy. Anything which involves handing out a stuffed fish is not respect.

It's a good rant.

Cheers,
Scott.
(Who'd like to know how Bender found this!)

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Dear God, it's come to this, October 26, 2002
Reviewer: A reader from Raleigh, NC USA
Here's a few ideas for all we can have fun in the workplace: We cap CEO salaries so they're not making 400 times what the average worker is making. We get a decent national health care system so Americans have a choice besides enslaving themselves to corporations. We give all Americans a decent amount of vacation. We apply labor laws across the board, ending the 60 to 70 hour work week that so many of us now routinely endure. We stop shipping our skilled jobs overseas. That's how we can all have fun in the workplace.

See, here's the problem - if you're a manager who forced this nonsense on your employees you probably didn't bother to ask them if they wanted a toy fish. If they wanted a "sand box." It probably never even occured to you to step up to one of your employees and ask "how would you like to be humiliated and treated like a small child? How would you like to be forced to go home after 9 awful hours and bake cookies for everyone in the office to avoid being labeled 'not a team player'?" Because that's what "living the fish! philosophy" really means.

None of it even occurred to you, and that's the problem. From some particularly cruel act of fate you, who think that handing out children's toys to adults is treating them with respect, have somehow become a cog in the ever-turning wheels of power in this country. Somehow, people with the emotinal awareness of 2 year olds and the intellectual debth of sand crabs have taken control, and the rest of us are being forced to suffer for it.

Anything which can be written out on a 3x5 card is not a philosophy. Anything which involves handing out a stuffed fish is not respect.

Post #61,436 by tseliot 11/6/02 4:07:49 PM Reply	LMAO at an Amazon review [link\|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0786866020\|http://www.amazon.co...tail/-/0786866020] Read the Amazon review, then the first customer review. Snort. Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance - Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation. BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
Post #61,437 by inthane-chan 11/6/02 4:17:34 PM Reply	TRUTH! Wow. That's a good one. End of world rescheduled for day after tomorrow. Something should probably be done. Please advise.
Post #61,443 by mmoffitt 11/6/02 4:36:40 PM Reply	My wife just went through this! And I sat through "Fish" the movie a couple of years ago at a place I worked. My wife is an RN in an ER. Some of her nurse pals decided to start sarcastically referring to themselves as "The Carp Club". America, what a country.
Post #61,447 by boxley 11/6/02 5:07:52 PM Reply	solution, if we go back to old school employeeism someone hands you a fish and sez good boy, you kick the shit out of them ans quit immediately. Some workplace violence that is aimed and directed not postal kablooey would make managers who are MBA shytes think twice. Lead from the front. To get respect you have to give respect. Dont take money from an employee unless cash has come out of your pocket first. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Money for jobs? No first you get the job, then you get the money" Raimondo
Post #61,450 by admin 11/6/02 5:18:06 PM Reply	Am I missing something...? I don't see any customer reviews... Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #61,451 by a6l6e6x 11/6/02 5:25:55 PM Reply	Did someone move your cheese? :) Alex "I have a truly marvelous demonstration of this proposition which this margin is too narrow to contain. -- Pierre de Fermat (1601-1665)
Post #61,457 by boxley 11/6/02 5:35:28 PM Reply	sat thru 2 hrs of that shyte lately at the Pogey office to see all the poor sheep staring in rapture at the psychologist who was enthusiasticly promoting this tripe was truly disheartening. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Money for jobs? No first you get the job, then you get the money" Raimondo
Post #61,460 by a6l6e6x 11/6/02 5:39:04 PM Reply	Sometimes you just have to laugh at it. Alex "I have a truly marvelous demonstration of this proposition which this margin is too narrow to contain. -- Pierre de Fermat (1601-1665)
Post #61,471 by admin 11/6/02 5:54:50 PM Reply	That was the editorial review... Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #61,478 by Another Scott 11/6/02 6:27:30 PM Reply	Only 1 shows up for me on the front. It gives 1 star. Funny that the average review for it is 4 stars, yet the only review on the front page is 1 star and if you dig (Under Customer Reviews in the box on the left) you can find one more review giving 5 stars from "Emily Wimminstone" and that sounds like satire to me. The 1 star review is from someone in NC. Sounds a little like the Baptist Death Ray, but not quite. I'll post it if you still can't find it. Cheers, Scott.
Post #61,479 by admin 11/6/02 6:32:01 PM Reply	There are none on the page I see. Nor is there a link to Customer Reviews anywhere on the page. Some kind of targeted page construction? Don't show reviews to certain people? Now I'm paranoid... Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #61,482 by Another Scott 11/6/02 6:36:18 PM Reply	Could be... I'm pretty sure they change prices for various customers. I'm not logged into Amazon at the moment, are you? Anyway... 1 star (of 5) Dear God it'scome to this, October 26, 2002 Reviewer: A reader from Raleigh, NC USA Here's a few ideas for all we can have fun in the workplace: We cap CEO salaries so they're not making 400 times what the average worker is making. We get a decent national health care system so Americans have a choice besides enslaving themselves to corporations. We give all Americans a decent amount of vacation. We apply labor laws across the board, ending the 60 to 70 hour work week that so many of us now routinely endure. We stop shipping our skilled jobs overseas. That's how we can all have fun in the workplace. See, here's the problem - if you're a manager who forced this nonsense on your employees you probably didn't bother to ask them if they wanted a toy fish. If they wanted a "sand box." It probably never even occured to you to step up to one of your employees and ask "how would you like to be humiliated and treated like a small child? How would you like to be forced to go home after 9 awful hours and bake cookies for everyone in the office to avoid being labeled 'not a team player'?" Because that's what "living the fish! philosophy" really means. None of it even occured to you, and that's the problem. From some particularly cruel act of fate you, who think that handing out children's toys to adults is treating them with respect, have somehow become a cog in the ever-turning wheels of power in this country. Somehow, people with the emotinal awareness of 2 year olds and the intellectual debth of sand crabs have taken control, and the rest of us are being forced to suffer for it. Anything which can be written out on a 3x5 card is not a philosophy. Anything which involves handing out a stuffed fish is not respect. It's a good rant. Cheers, Scott. (Who'd like to know how Bender found this!)
Post #61,484 by admin 11/6/02 6:48:22 PM Reply	I was logged in. However, logging out didn't change the display any. Very strange. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #61,528 by admin 11/6/02 9:54:53 PM Reply	Curiouser and curiouser... I can see the customer reviews from home! Logged in as the same person... only difference would be IP address. Even the browser is the same. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #61,534 by jake123 11/6/02 10:11:12 PM Reply	I've not been able to see them at all. Must be pissed because we have [link\|http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/Default.asp\|Indigo] up here. --\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \r\n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \r\n Laval Qu\ufffdbec Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #61,622 by tseliot 11/7/02 11:12:34 AM Reply	Heh. Found it 'cause it was on a wish list... ...and yes, it's the wish list of a friend, but brrr! he's a manager here. Don't think I'll be buyin' it for him. Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance - Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation. BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
Post #61,722 by ben_tilly 11/7/02 5:58:47 PM Reply	Send him the text of the review instead! :-) "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #61,581 by CRConrad 11/7/02 9:11:07 AM Reply	Correct me if I'm wrong... ...but, this guy you're talking about, The 1 star review is from someone in NC. Sounds a little like the Baptist Death Ray, but not quite. , "the Baptist Death Ray" -- that's someone [link\|http://www.ubersoft.net\|we know], isn't it? Christian R. Conrad Microsoft is a true reflection of Bill Gates' personality - the sleaziest, most unethical, ugliest little rat's ass the world has seen unto this time. -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=42971\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #61,585 by Another Scott 11/7/02 9:39:12 AM Reply	Yup. That's him. I don't know if he wrote the rant though.
Post #61,590 by CRConrad 11/7/02 9:47:40 AM Reply	Doubt he has the time, what with moving house and all... :-)
Post #61,480 by Ashton 11/6/02 6:34:56 PM Reply	It's this Gem____[Two Ears and a Tail] Dear God, it's come to this, October 26, 2002 Reviewer: A reader from Raleigh, NC USA Here's a few ideas for all we can have fun in the workplace: We cap CEO salaries so they're not making 400 times what the average worker is making. We get a decent national health care system so Americans have a choice besides enslaving themselves to corporations. We give all Americans a decent amount of vacation. We apply labor laws across the board, ending the 60 to 70 hour work week that so many of us now routinely endure. We stop shipping our skilled jobs overseas. That's how we can all have fun in the workplace. See, here's the problem - if you're a manager who forced this nonsense on your employees you probably didn't bother to ask them if they wanted a toy fish. If they wanted a "sand box." It probably never even occured to you to step up to one of your employees and ask "how would you like to be humiliated and treated like a small child? How would you like to be forced to go home after 9 awful hours and bake cookies for everyone in the office to avoid being labeled 'not a team player'?" Because that's what "living the fish! philosophy" really means. None of it even occurred to you, and that's the problem. From some particularly cruel act of fate you, who think that handing out children's toys to adults is treating them with respect, have somehow become a cog in the ever-turning wheels of power in this country. Somehow, people with the emotinal awareness of 2 year olds and the intellectual debth of sand crabs have taken control, and the rest of us are being forced to suffer for it. Anything which can be written out on a 3x5 card is not a philosophy. Anything which involves handing out a stuffed fish is not respect.
Post #61,465 by tjsinclair 11/6/02 5:42:33 PM Reply	My favorite quote: "If you loved 'Who Moved My Cheese'...." Who buys these books?!? Tom Sinclair "Everybody is someone else's weirdo." - E. Dijkstra
Post #61,481 by Ashton 11/6/02 6:36:15 PM Reply	People who visit theme parks.._____a lot.
Post #61,485 by boxley 11/6/02 7:01:12 PM Reply	uh err I have annual passes and wouldnt buy that shit will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Money for jobs? No first you get the job, then you get the money" Raimondo
Post #61,508 by mhuber 11/6/02 8:48:41 PM Reply	My first Amazon purchase was "Reengineering the Corporation". But I was under orders and reimbursed. Guys, this kind of stuff isn't helping me get my head back into the corporate job mode. ---- Whatever
Post #61,511 by boxley 11/6/02 8:54:02 PM Reply	start drinking heavily and singing death songs in your cube while kissing every ass in sight. They will think you are a guru. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Money for jobs? No first you get the job, then you get the money" Raimondo
Post #61,514 by mhuber 11/6/02 9:02:51 PM Reply	I'm thinking kegs of homemade mead on the desk and a braided beard. Dreads are far too civilized for this look. Showers and stuff will have to go, naturaly. And lunch needs to be meat, raw and well aged. ---- Whatever
Post #61,522 by boxley 11/6/02 9:28:13 PM Reply	along with heavily smoked pungent fish will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Money for jobs? No first you get the job, then you get the money" Raimondo
Post #61,578 by drewk 11/7/02 8:58:33 AM Reply	and/or kim-chee === Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #61,747 by mhuber 11/7/02 8:34:27 PM Reply	Ah, but then my unholy revelry would be faked. I've spent an unreasonable amount of thought on the line Janet sings in Rocky Horror: "His lust is so sincere". Now, on the surface, that's a big "DUH!" because that's the nature of lust. But wait: Brad has earlier sung about how hot he is for her, and it's pretty clear he's just being conventional. Brad's lust is not sincere. Now, I could swill green mead and gnaw raw meat with sincere lust. As for kimchee and lutefisk, well, those would be just for effect. And if I'm just going for effect, I might as well wear a tie. And pants. ---- Whatever
Post #61,817 by drewk 11/8/02 8:33:09 AM Reply	lrpadism alert And if I'm just going for effect, I might as well wear a tie. And pants. === Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #99,811 by mhuber 5/2/03 12:09:16 AM Reply	No idle threat! I just ran into that as an LRPD. Far less annoying than the sarcastic comment (something about never saying "I can't" in a job interview) I made on an email list that has ended up in several lists of motivational sayings. ---- Whatever
Post #61,623 by tseliot 11/7/02 11:14:26 AM Reply	"Cheese" has a couple nice points. All it basically says is, "Change is inevitable. Don't get yer knickers in a knot when it happens." Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance - Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation. BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
Post #61,529 by admin 11/6/02 10:01:02 PM Reply	Call for a test: Post if you can see the customer reviews, and your domain name. My theory is that Amazon is not showing the customer reviews for a book about management to .com sites, in order not to scare away potential PHB purchases. If the theory is borne out, I'll email The Register. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #61,531 by ben_tilly 11/6/02 10:07:27 PM Reply	Don't think it is that simple My home machine doesn't see it either. OTOH I do have a firewall between me and them. Perhaps that is what they are looking for? Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #61,532 by admin 11/6/02 10:08:25 PM Reply	I have a firewall at home and work. NAT on both. What's your domain at home? Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #61,535 by jake123 11/6/02 10:12:01 PM Reply	I'm not seeing it at "home" either Domain is sympatico.ca. --\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \r\n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \r\n Laval Qu\ufffdbec Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #61,538 by a6l6e6x 11/6/02 10:17:26 PM Reply	Cannot see the customer reviews now. I did earlier. Same machine, same browser (moz). Strange indeed. Alex "I have a truly marvelous demonstration of this proposition which this margin is too narrow to contain. -- Pierre de Fermat (1601-1665)
Post #61,540 by Another Scott 11/6/02 10:32:41 PM Reply	Can see it here... And Amazon prices are getting better. In fact, I can get all 106 customer reviews here while I'm logged in there. The page is different from the one I saw earlier in the day (it shows 2 Spotlight Reviews and 2 more Customer Reviews now) I'm on a .com domain, but I'd rather not say which... BTW, Amazon's prices seem to have gotten much better recently on computer hardware. They've been as cheap as or cheaper than NewEgg.com on some items I purchased recently (e.g. a Samsung 40x12x40 CD-RW for $59.99 boxed vs $70 for the OEM version from NewEgg.). Cheers, Scott.
Post #61,565 by altmann 11/7/02 3:26:10 AM Reply	Weird I'm logged in. Accessing from surewest.net I can see the review from the link provided. No other customer reviews are listed. If I click customer review on the sidebar, I get one 5 star review ("splish splash for my new fishy affirmation!"). I don't see the 106 customer reviews you mention anywhere. And there are no spotlight reviews. There is a bunch of stuff under editorial reviews too. Avg review is 4 stars (5+1)/2=4?? -- Chris Altmann
Post #61,557 by pwhysall 11/7/02 2:28:20 AM Reply	Re: Call for a test: I saw it from my ntlworld.com location. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #61,569 by tuberculosis 11/7/02 6:01:40 AM 8/21/07 5:41:44 AM Reply	I can see it from mrted.com. So its not the domain. Maybe you've been cookied as a particular type. I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns. Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 05:41:44 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #61,574 by admin 11/7/02 8:32:20 AM Reply	Re: Cookie... I cleared the cookies at work; no change. Same login from both machines. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #61,577 by CRConrad 11/7/02 8:50:43 AM 11/7/02 9:14:48 AM Reply	I can see it from here [Edit - clarified] Domain upm-kymmene.com, no Amazon login (that I know of; maybe their Squid has something cached?), IE 5.0. [Edit: Clarification] That is, I see the rant on the main page, and only the "Emily Wimminstone" one on the separate Customer Reviews page. (All in all, one fifty-third as many customer reviews as, e.g, DrooK sees!) Christian R. Conrad Microsoft is a true reflection of Bill Gates' personality - the sleaziest, most unethical, ugliest little rat's ass the world has seen unto this time. -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=42971\|Andrew Grygus] Edited by CRConrad Nov. 7, 2002, 09:14:48 AM EST Expand All History
Post #61,579 by drewk 11/7/02 9:00:15 AM Reply	I see them all from work The rant is the spotlight review, and I see all 106 customer reviews. === Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #61,778 by wharris2 11/7/02 11:25:56 PM Reply	I only saw half a dozen But walking by offices, I can see many Moved the Cheese and Managing Secrets of Atilla the Hun style books.
Post #61,621 by inthane-chan 11/7/02 11:10:46 AM Reply	Spotted @ quorum-irb.com End of world rescheduled for day after tomorrow. Something should probably be done. Please advise.
Post #61,625 by Steve Lowe 11/7/02 11:21:16 AM Reply	OK here .org domain...with broken reverse DNS even. Moz1.0/Win2K ----- Steve
Post #61,650 by scoenye 11/7/02 12:36:17 PM Reply	All OK on skynet.be. Moz 1.1 behind iptables, no NAT

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