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Post #46,065 by boxley 7/19/02 9:32:12 AM Reply	courtesy MMoffit, MS products that really work(ed) Multiplan the only useful (to me) spreadsheet Dos 3.2 WinNT 3.1 edit.exe terminal.exe (win 3.* version for telnet) thanx, bill ."Once, in the wilds of Afghanistan, I had to subsist on food and water for several weeks." W.C. Fields
Post #46,069 by jb4 7/19/02 9:48:53 AM Reply	Let me add to this list: Microsoft C V4.0 (Their first and last C compiler that actually worked properly) jb4 "I remember Harry S. Truman's sign on his desk. 'The buck stops here.' Strange how those words, while still true, mean something completely different today." -- Brandioch
Post #46,076 by Andrew Grygus 7/19/02 11:16:05 AM Reply	MultiPlan??? The spreadsheet that took four times as many keystrokes as any other to do anything? That thing was an absolute horror. Personally, I'm still using SuperCalc3. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #46,100 by CRConrad 7/19/02 3:23:46 PM Reply	MultiPlan was a huge freaking revelation to me. First semester at university, the second or third course I took was Bizniss Administraychun; they introduced us to something called a "spreadsheet", which I fell pretty much in love with. That spreadsheet was MultiPlan, "for DOS", I assume -- can't be quite sure, 'coz the machines we ran it on were (as often happened in those days) not-quite-compatible "almost-PCs" from, IIRC, Wang. Two reflections on MultiPlan: 1: If BA had been the first subject where I met computers, that might well have been what I later specialized in; thank the GRR the first was Statistics, so I wasn't imprinted, duckling-like, on MultiPlan but on MiniTab (a statistical package [cum-{crude-}programming-language]). 2: Does Excel still do that "C1R2" thing for absolute references, and "[C-1][R-2]" for relative? I know it did up until at least version 5, and given M$' fetish for backwards compatibility, probably later too... And that still seems so much more logical to me than the damn stupid Artoo-Detoo system they copied (I assume?) from Lotus. Christian R. Conrad Microsoft is a true reflection of Bill Gates' personality - the sleaziest, most unethical, ugliest little rat's ass the world has seen unto this time. -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=42971\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #46,169 by altmann 7/19/02 10:16:31 PM Reply	Yup (R1C1) From the Excel 2002 help file: You can also use a reference style where both the rows and the columns on the worksheet are numbered. The R1C1 reference style is useful for computing row and column positions in macros. In the R1C1 style, Excel indicates the location of a cell with an "R" followed by a row number and a "C" followed by a column number. Reference Meaning R[-2]C A relative reference to the cell two rows up and in the same column R[2]C[2] A relative reference to the cell two rows down and two columns to the right R2C2 An absolute reference to the cell in the second row and in the second column R[-1] A relative reference to the entire row above the active cell R An absolute reference to the current row When you record a macro, Excel records some commands by using the R1C1 reference style. For example, if you record a command such as clicking the AutoSum button to insert a formula that adds a range of cells, Excel records the formula by using R1C1 style, not A1 style, references. To turn R1C1 reference style on or off Click Options on the Tools menu, and then click the General tab. Under Settings, select or clear the R1C1 reference style check box. -- Chris Altmann
Post #46,269 by dmarker2 7/21/02 5:07:15 AM Reply	Re: MultiPlan was a great product on Xenix My first experience with spreadsheets was some software running on an IBM mainframe that rented for 12,000 per month back in the early 1970s. iPlan interactive - or some such name. Years later it was visicalc then multiplan running on Xenix & that was a terrific program. The damned thing could be invoked for multiple concurrent sessions. It could pass parameters between sessions etc: etc:. But Bill killed it when he realised that he couldn't get as much moola from Xenix as he was getting from DOS. Maybe on DOS multiplan was not as nice. Cheers Doug
Post #46,160 by folkert 7/19/02 9:31:11 PM Reply	Dang,,,, I started on SuperCalc(v1 if I recall never really had a version #) on a Tandy 2000, one of the (maybe the only) "Made it to Market" 80186 computers. DOS...hmmm v?? dunno was late '87 though, prolly 2.?. Was the first Computer I had, that had a real (16) COLOR DISPLAY!!!! This one was really great... it had XENIX on the 10MB hard drive and I used floppies to boot into DOS and ran SC from a 360K disk... a second one for the print engine... Never really used the XENIX... didn't like it at the time... ended up using debug 0800:70 (I believe) to start the low-level format from the controller, and installed DOS on the HD. (BONKS SELF in HEAD) didn;t know what I had. The stuff I used to do with that... WOW... sales report graphs for a few local companies... all being plotted out on a time-shared E size 16 pen 102"/sec plotter I had access to... Man brings back some memories. Shoot can't remember the CAD package I had then too... it ran on 4 - 360K floppies... Then I DISCOVERED BBSing... and it has been ALL down hill from there. The one thing I remember about that T2000... I needed a forklift to move it anywhere... `greg, curley95@attbi.com -- REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!`
Post #46,216 by a6l6e6x 7/20/02 11:59:58 AM Reply	Re: the CAD package. Generic CAD? I still have diskettes. Alex "Television: chewing gum for the eyes." -- Frank Lloyd Wright
Post #46,087 by Silverlock 7/19/02 1:16:58 PM Reply	Solitare "...the problem with the French is that they don\ufffdt have a word for entrepreneur." George W. Bush in an aside to Tony Blair about the lack of receptivity by Jacques Chirac to Dubya's peddling of Texas-style economics.
Post #46,089 by jb4 7/19/02 1:29:16 PM Reply	And, of course, FreeCell! jb4 "I remember Harry S. Truman's sign on his desk. 'The buck stops here.' Strange how those words, while still true, mean something completely different today." -- Brandioch
Post #46,105 by Andrew Grygus 7/19/02 4:06:53 PM Reply	No - the OS/2 solitare is much better. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #46,114 by orion 7/19/02 4:31:14 PM 7/19/02 4:31:55 PM Reply	Don't you forget... EDLIN.COM GWBASIC.EXE BASICA.COM Also: Microsoft Xenix, ran like well Unix. ;) *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.* Edited by orion July 19, 2002, 04:31:55 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #46,195 by wharris2 7/20/02 1:07:28 AM Reply	Gah WinNT 3.1 edit.exe Both unexcretable products, without severe constipation and pain. NT 3.5 was the first passable version of NT. Edit.exe has *never* been the least bit acceptable to anyone who has ever had any exposure to any other editor (except maybe edlin). Jeez. PC-Write (freely downloadable) was better. For those Unixen amongst us, Vi or Emacs (I hate Emacs and prefer to use Vi, but either are approximately six billion times better than edit.exe) kill edit.exe, which couldn't even edit reasonably large files. Wordpad, simple word processor that can do letters and things without much pain, maybe I'll give that to you. Terminal sucks. Microsoft telnet sucks dead bunnies. Geez, Box, where have you been living all your life?
Post #46,244 by boxley 7/20/02 8:52:42 PM Reply	terminal.exe sux? as opposed to hyperterm which was the worst fscking serial connection program ever written? Terminal, what port can you connect to. connect direct to modem for diagnostics early ms telnet offered a port as well as an ip good luck testing ports on a nix box using an old mslaptop running windermoi . Yes but the external login "REQUIRES" (fucked I now) logging in to a winders network and exchange server so mstools is all i got for remote right now. thanx, bill ."Once, in the wilds of Afghanistan, I had to subsist on food and water for several weeks." W.C. Fields
Post #46,320 by static 7/21/02 11:28:48 PM Reply	HyperTerm suffers from what I call the ProComm Error. That is, you can't tell it "talk down COM1". Oh no: you have to "make a connection" which involved picking a (Windows) modem, entering the phone number, entering the service name and even choosing a pretty icon! I first saw this inanity in ProComm for DOS, which instantly soured me on it. I was used to the venerable Telix and it's more laid-back approach. Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #46,366 by admin 7/22/02 10:14:17 AM Reply	Er, boggle? ProComm was the one I always used to do exactly that... especially after HyperTerm came out. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #46,473 by static 7/23/02 2:59:33 AM Reply	Well... I haven't used ProComm in a very long time. My first experiences with its DOS version were "this is ... not very good" and I went back to Telix. I can easily believe it is better than HyperTerm, but my first impressions was that it was Making Things Difficult For Me and I encountered it doing so in the way I described. YMMV. Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #46,559 by orion 7/23/02 4:39:58 PM Reply	Qmodem I used it seemed to be more reliable than Procomm. The Apple // users claimed that Procomm for DOS had ripped off Pro Term for the Apple // systems. Did anyone ever validate that claim? Yet another "not invented here" syndrome? They claimed that it even had the same bugs as Pro Term, what a complete copy, eh? Anyway Qmodem seemed to work better, and I carried around a DOS boot disk with QMODEM on it and my dialing directory when I visited computer labs with PC and XT systems that had modems in them. Usually College Labs that didn't check for student IDs and let almost anyone get in that looked like a student. Nice to use their 1200 baud modems and phone lines to play Tradewars and download files. :) Last I heard Qmodem was ported to 32 bit Windows, and it didn't do as good. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,646 by static 7/23/02 11:57:34 PM Reply	Most BBSers had their favourite. I used Telix for a long time until I discovered Terminate. Other people swore by Qmodem, or ProComm, or RipTerm or that other thing that had a bizarre command line. Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #46,648 by orion 7/24/02 12:17:12 AM Reply	Bitcomm? I remember that Bitcomm was a bit weird and not very user friendly. It also liked to lock up modems. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,654 by static 7/24/02 1:12:04 AM Reply	That doesn't sound right. It was part of the Zmodem suite of programs that were downloadable if your term program couldn't Zmodem. Ah, I remembered it: Zcomm (also called YAM). Very powerful, but very different! Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #46,705 by inthane-chan 7/24/02 11:01:41 AM Reply	Trying to remember this one... It was a character-based "windowing" terminal app, with some simple multitasking built in - I seem to remember being able to bop out to a MS-DOS command prompt while downloading. Built in support for 43/50 line displays. Ring a bell for anybody? There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Post #46,721 by boxley 7/24/02 12:14:34 PM Reply	Kermit? ."Once, in the wilds of Afghanistan, I had to subsist on food and water for several weeks." W.C. Fields
Post #46,772 by inthane-chan 7/24/02 7:54:56 PM Reply	Nope. There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Post #46,738 by orion 7/24/02 1:31:27 PM Reply	Most of my friends used DoubleDOS for that. DoubleDOS was able to run two DOS programs side by side and hotkey switch between them. They would DoubleDOS Procomm, and then DoubleDOS a command prompt in the other one. I had a friend who ran the Hellfire Club BBS, and he decided to DoubleDOS the WWIV BBS in one session, and then DoubleDOS Test Drive in the other. When he switched to the WWIV BBS, he had garbage in that screen. Apparently it didn't handle direct to hardware memory writes too well or something. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,797 by static 7/25/02 12:20:15 AM Reply	Sounds familiar. But many term programs had support for 43/50 line mode, so that's no help. I think Terminate could do that, but I suspect that's not what you meant as Terminate was a little bit of a latecomer. Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #46,885 by wharris2 7/25/02 5:56:50 PM Reply	Me, too (trying to remember) Wasn't it the "biggie" of the commercial programs? Not shareware Procomm, don't think it was named anything like minicom or bitcom, but there was one that was THE communications program of choice for anyone who bought a comm program. (This is, of course, pre-Windows Procomm. Windows Procomm, while it had its flaws, grabbed the Windows 3.x market pretty quickly.)
Post #46,913 by inthane-chan 7/25/02 8:37:51 PM Reply	No idea... To be honest, at the time one might say I was "ethically challenged" - a friend of mine gave me the comm app. There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Post #46,971 by wharris2 7/26/02 3:08:52 AM Reply	I Remember (I think) Crosstalk! Biggie for DOS people converting over from CP/M and/or people buying comm programs. Did they ever come out with a Windows version? If they did, Procomm had already nabbed the market. Crosstalk pretty much vanished from the scene after a workable Windows (aka 3.1) was released. The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle
Post #46,976 by CRConrad 7/26/02 3:52:20 AM Reply	OT re your JerryP quote: Would those be Intel lawyers? :-)
Post #46,981 by wharris2 7/26/02 4:17:10 AM Reply	Re: OT re your JerryP quote: Would those be Intel lawyers? I think that's lawyers in general: they'd rather suck blood than preserve the human race. See [link\|http://www.overlawyered.com\|www.overlawyered.com] for lots and lots of examples. Hammerfall is, of course, his novel (I think co-written with Larry Niven) about an asteroid doing a big smack-down on Earth. The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle
Post #47,018 by CRConrad 7/26/02 9:29:31 AM Reply	Duh - think I didn't know that? (T'was a pun; AMD "Hammer")
Post #47,038 by inthane-chan 7/26/02 11:05:18 AM Reply	Novel name was "Lucifer's Hammer" The event itself was called Hammerfall, though... There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Post #47,097 by orion 7/26/02 7:15:45 PM Reply	I agree working for lawyers isn't so good either. Sort of like working for The Devil, eventually you know you are going to get screwed sometime. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,901 by altmann 7/25/02 7:23:26 PM Reply	Any of these ring a bell? (Lots of other nostalgiaware too) [link\|http://www.safelink.net/danrose/aw-dos-07.html\|A DOS comm. program list] from [link\|http://www.safelink.net/danrose/aw-dos.html\|Dan's 20th. Century Abandonware ] Ah, memories... -- Chris Altmann
Post #46,912 by inthane-chan 7/25/02 8:37:47 PM Reply	Nope. There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Post #46,916 by wharris2 7/25/02 8:45:06 PM Reply	Ah! Crosstalk was it, I'm sure The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle
Post #46,960 by orion 7/26/02 1:35:57 AM Reply	Microsoft Access Not the database, but the Microsoft COM Terminal. Anyone remember that stinkeroo? Maybe it was the "mystery" terminal program? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,991 by static 7/26/02 7:10:48 AM Reply	Never used it, but I remember it. It musta stunk - MS reused the name. Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #46,378 by pwhysall 7/22/02 12:04:44 PM Reply	Eh? You most certainly can tell HyperTerm to "just talk down COM1". It's crap in a lot of ways, but this isn't one of them - I have used HyperTerm to talk to things like DEC Brouters and Terminal Servers many times. No phone number required - just choose "Direct to COM1", set 8, one and none, hardware flow control, 9600, you're cooking on gas. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #46,472 by static 7/23/02 2:56:21 AM Reply	I posted in a hurry. What I should have also said was that although it was possible to shortcut it's Make a Connection interface to talk directly down a serial line, HyperTerm still expected very strongly you to do what I said. Navigating through the various cancel boxes to do it is far too intimidating. Experienced users will of course save a configuration with the right settings, but on a new install of Windows, you have to run the gauntlet of the "Make a Connection" dialog boxes. Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #46,560 by orion 7/23/02 4:42:21 PM Reply	Hyperterm That is what I used to download a better terminal program. Just entered a number of a local BBS into its connection thingamabob and then just downloaded one of those many shareware DOS terminals like Procomm, QModem, Telix, Terminate, etc. But I mostly used Qmodem, had it on a disk. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,399 by Silverlock 7/22/02 2:46:43 PM Reply	Long lost sidekick Heck of a text editor. Used it for every programming class I had. "...the problem with the French is that they don\ufffdt have a word for entrepreneur." George W. Bush
Post #46,408 by orion 7/22/02 4:35:00 PM Reply	Borland, not a Microsoft product Last I heard of Sidekick was that they made an OS/2 version. I suppose that having Windows open up multiple apps killed Sidekick? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,426 by CRConrad 7/22/02 7:51:07 PM Reply	I think he's talking about Edit, not Sidekick - note... ...the small 's' in his use of "sidekick". But, if either of you wants it -- the old Borland Sidekick -- back, you might be out of luck: David I said he [link\|http://community.borland.com/article/0,1410,20793,00.html\|would only put up development tools on the Borland Museum]. But, OTOH, maybe he'll change his mind some day; you'd certainly not be alone in wanting it either -- see the [link\|http://threads.borland.com/threads/threads.exe/thread?&sysid=1&contentid=20793&title=In+The+Museum%3A+Where+are+the+other+Antique+Software+Items%3F\|comments on his article]. Christian R. Conrad Microsoft is a true reflection of Bill Gates' personality - the sleaziest, most unethical, ugliest little rat's ass the world has seen unto this time. -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=42971\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #46,431 by orion 7/22/02 8:03:58 PM Reply	Other Borland "Classics" Turbo BASIC Quattro Then there was that Word Processor they made that was able to emulate Word Perfect and other menu systems and commands. I forgot the name to it. It was DOS based. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,443 by a6l6e6x 7/22/02 8:34:27 PM Reply	Re: Quatro -- I use Quatro Pro for Windows (5.0)... to this day. I think it was the first Windows version. This is year 102 for the @DATE() function :). It has its advantages over Excel which I also have. Alex "Television: chewing gum for the eyes." -- Frank Lloyd Wright
Post #46,434 by orion 7/22/02 8:06:16 PM Reply	Small "s" sidekick hard to tell, he didn't mention that it was edit.com, and I thought Sidekick had a built in text editor? Sort of a Wordstar based command set like the Turbo Languages had? Control-K-D, etc. My bad. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,437 by orion 7/22/02 8:17:10 PM Reply	Borland Sidekick [link\|http://www.jogi.com/schrege-voegel/software/_sk.htm\|[link\|http://www.jogi.com/schrege-voegel/software/_sk.htm\|http://www.jogi.com...ware/_sk.htm]] You read German, right? I think that is some sort of abandonware site for DOS utlities. Has Borland Sidekick for download. IIRC, the guy who wrote Sidekick left Borland and formed Starfish Software and took the rights to Sidekick with him. [link\|http://www.starfishsoftware.com/\|[link\|http://www.starfishsoftware.com/\|http://www.starfishsoftware.com/]] So it is now Starfish Software property? I thought they converted it to Windows 95, but they don't even list it on their web site anymore. If anyone would release it, they would, right? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,446 by a6l6e6x 7/22/02 8:44:56 PM Reply	Starfish, owned by Motorola, where Phillipe Khan hangs out. [link\|http://www.lee-kahn.org/htm/C_philippe.htm\|Link.] The reference is a bit dated. Of course Inprise is back to being called Borland. Alex "Television: chewing gum for the eyes." -- Frank Lloyd Wright
Post #46,485 by Silverlock 7/23/02 9:05:13 AM Reply	Hobgoblin As in "Consistency is the...." I was talking about borland sidekick (see, I can leave off caps on other words, too). I was replying to a post about text editors. What, you've never seen a thread change topics in midstream before? "...the problem with the French is that they don\ufffdt have a word for entrepreneur." George W. Bush
Post #46,556 by orion 7/23/02 4:34:40 PM Reply	That is what I thought you said not everyone capitalizes nouns, or there may have been a typo. Why would someone call the edit.com program a sidekick anyway? It just didn't make sense to me, so the nearest thing I could think of was a program named sidekick. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,662 by CRConrad 7/24/02 3:11:33 AM Reply	Well ex-bloody-squeeze the Hell outta me for knowing English Norm plaintively bleats, Why would someone call the edit.com program a sidekick anyway? Because they found it to be an ever-ready, trusted companion, perhaps? That's what the word means, AFAIK[]. It just didn't make sense to me, so the nearest thing I could think of was a program named sidekick. Yeah, well, so you happened to be right and I wrong... But that's not my* fault; rather, it seems to be just because Don's command of English is as limited as yours. []: OK, so if I'm wrong... Then ex-fucking-squeeze the bloody Hell outta me for thinking* I know the nuances of English. Ya want we should talk Swedish in stead, eh? Christian R. Conrad Microsoft is a true reflection of Bill Gates' personality - the sleaziest, most unethical, ugliest little rat's ass the world has seen unto this time. -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=42971\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #46,667 by orion 7/24/02 6:10:15 AM Reply	Oh no, you're never wrong even when you are plainly and obviously wrong, you are never wrong. Oh not you, never you. Must be my fault, yeah that's it, that's the ticket. Blame it all on me and my limited knowledge of the English language. Heck why don't you also blame my depression, which apparently affects my abilities to comprehend plain and ordinary English, of which you seem to find a hidden meaning for everything even if it is not there and not so obvious. Swedish? No thanks, don't speak it. Bork bork bork bork! That's all I know, gathered from the Swedish Chef from "The Muppet Show". Not sure what it means, but it was funny at the time about 25 years ago. I only speak two languages, English and Bad English. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,681 by CRConrad 7/24/02 8:01:14 AM Reply	Well, I'm glad somebody finally realizes that! :-)
Post #46,682 by boxley 7/24/02 8:08:05 AM Reply	wasnt sidekick the program a dos utility that allowed printing of 2 pages per landcaped sheet of paper? Now you both can be write. :) thanx, bill ."Once, in the wilds of Afghanistan, I had to subsist on food and water for several weeks." W.C. Fields
Post #46,683 by orion 7/24/02 8:10:37 AM Reply	I think that was "Sideways" or some name like it. Landscape printing should have been built into the software from the git go. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,685 by boxley 7/24/02 8:22:58 AM Reply	If you remember back when that you would have to program in escape sequences so the printer would change attributes. PCL came along to annoy the postscript folks and /127 followed by ascii characters would setup a dot matrix for different paper sizes, fonts and feeds. thanx, bill ."Once, in the wilds of Afghanistan, I had to subsist on food and water for several weeks." W.C. Fields
Post #46,737 by orion 7/24/02 1:27:39 PM Reply	I remember farther I remember people trying to use Epson printers with Apple // systems and getting "8EON" or something like that on the first page of the printout because Apple had hardcoded the Imagewriter Init string into Appleworks and the Epson didn't like it. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,690 by wharris2 7/24/02 9:31:52 AM Reply	Squeezing bloody hell out of you for being dead wrong Edit (capitalized or not) was NEVER useful enough to be a sidekick. Wordbitch, er, I mean, Wordstar was a joy to use compared to the DOS edit. And since there was a program actually NAMED Sidekick, it makes no sense whatsoever to even think of, associate, cross-link, or otherwise twist the brain to even think of edit as "sidekick". Famous last RPG quotes: "I'll just shoot this fireball down the dungeon passageway..."
Post #46,696 by CRConrad 7/24/02 9:53:22 AM Reply	Yeah, yeah... Lurve ya too, Jungle-Face. Ya know what just struck me? The reason your front garden is so weedy and overgrown that you complain about it all the time... ...is probably that you set a bad example for it with yer face! :-) Christian R. Conrad Microsoft is a true reflection of Bill Gates' personality - the sleaziest, most unethical, ugliest little rat's ass the world has seen unto this time. -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=42971\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #46,661 by CRConrad 7/24/02 3:03:09 AM Reply	Yeah, yeah, we all have 'em - tho mine's called Literacy.;^)
Post #46,425 by CRConrad 7/22/02 7:44:58 PM Reply	Naah, it sucked - and was bloated as all Hell, too. What, you say, "`Edit.EXE` was only [whateverthefuck] KB"? Yeah, sure... But -- did you ever try to run it after deleting the several-hundred-KB `Basic.EXE`? Christian R. Conrad Microsoft is a true reflection of Bill Gates' personality - the sleaziest, most unethical, ugliest little rat's ass the world has seen unto this time. -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=42971\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #46,428 by orion 7/22/02 7:57:23 PM 7/22/02 8:00:14 PM Reply	EDIT.COM came out in MS-DOS 5.0 and used QBASIC.EXE's editor. QBASIC.EXE being Quick BASIC. [link\|http://www.qbasic.com/\|[link\|http://www.qbasic.com/\|http://www.qbasic.com/]] for more info. It was basically GWBASIC on steroids. A move towards Visual BASIC, without the GUI or Forms. It allowed BASIC code without line numbers and had a bit of structure to it. If you want the old DOS utilities that included Quick BASIC, then download: [link\|http://www.microsoft.com/windows/download/olddos.exe\|[link\|http://www.microsoft.com/windows/download/olddos.exe\|http://www.microsof...d/olddos.exe]] they don't come with Windows anymore, except in that "OLDDOS" directory on Windows 98, etc. Fixed OLDDOS.EXE link, found the new location of the download. The old DOS based BBSes use to hold contests as to who could write the best QBASIC program. Last version of QBASIC was 4.5, IIRC. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.* Edited by orion July 22, 2002, 08:00:14 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #46,331 by tuberculosis 7/22/02 3:23:11 AM Reply	Pre-Windows Office Components on the Mac Excel 3.2 and Word 4 for the Mac were the last decent versions of these tools. I used them both my last year of college and got a lot of stuff done fast. Those along with cricket graph and Alsoft's Fortran compiler made my senior year really easy. The average hunter gatherer works 20 hours a week. The average farmer works 40 hours a week. The average programmer works 60 hours a week. What the hell are we thinking?
Post #46,342 by static 7/22/02 7:44:57 AM Reply	Actually, now that you mention it... ... Word 6 was actually pretty decent. I never got to play with Word 95, but Word 97 wasn't too shabby, either. Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #46,363 by jb4 7/22/02 9:55:41 AM Reply	Wade, anything from Micros~1 with a 6 is a PoS Consider: Dos 6.....sux C/C++ 6...sux Word 6 (Word 2 with more errors)...sux Win XP (Windows 6)....sux License V6.0.....way sux! Do the math....! jb4 "I remember Harry S. Truman's sign on his desk. 'The buck stops here.' Strange how those words, while still true, mean something completely different today." -- Brandioch
Post #46,371 by snork 7/22/02 10:58:28 AM Reply	Cricket Graph! What a great program that was. Excel still can't do x-y plots as cleanly and as simply. Coupled with Word 4 and PageMaker 3, it made many technical reports a snap at college. "With the bravery of being out of range." - Roger Waters Cliff

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