Qmodem I used

Post #46,559 by orion 7/23/02 4:39:58 PM Reply	Qmodem I used it seemed to be more reliable than Procomm. The Apple // users claimed that Procomm for DOS had ripped off Pro Term for the Apple // systems. Did anyone ever validate that claim? Yet another "not invented here" syndrome? They claimed that it even had the same bugs as Pro Term, what a complete copy, eh? Anyway Qmodem seemed to work better, and I carried around a DOS boot disk with QMODEM on it and my dialing directory when I visited computer labs with PC and XT systems that had modems in them. Usually College Labs that didn't check for student IDs and let almost anyone get in that looked like a student. Nice to use their 1200 baud modems and phone lines to play Tradewars and download files. :) Last I heard Qmodem was ported to 32 bit Windows, and it didn't do as good. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,646 by static 7/23/02 11:57:34 PM Reply	Most BBSers had their favourite. I used Telix for a long time until I discovered Terminate. Other people swore by Qmodem, or ProComm, or RipTerm or that other thing that had a bizarre command line. Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #46,648 by orion 7/24/02 12:17:12 AM Reply	Bitcomm? I remember that Bitcomm was a bit weird and not very user friendly. It also liked to lock up modems. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,654 by static 7/24/02 1:12:04 AM Reply	That doesn't sound right. It was part of the Zmodem suite of programs that were downloadable if your term program couldn't Zmodem. Ah, I remembered it: Zcomm (also called YAM). Very powerful, but very different! Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #46,705 by inthane-chan 7/24/02 11:01:41 AM Reply	Trying to remember this one... It was a character-based "windowing" terminal app, with some simple multitasking built in - I seem to remember being able to bop out to a MS-DOS command prompt while downloading. Built in support for 43/50 line displays. Ring a bell for anybody? There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Post #46,721 by boxley 7/24/02 12:14:34 PM Reply	Kermit? ."Once, in the wilds of Afghanistan, I had to subsist on food and water for several weeks." W.C. Fields
Post #46,772 by inthane-chan 7/24/02 7:54:56 PM Reply	Nope. There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Post #46,738 by orion 7/24/02 1:31:27 PM Reply	Most of my friends used DoubleDOS for that. DoubleDOS was able to run two DOS programs side by side and hotkey switch between them. They would DoubleDOS Procomm, and then DoubleDOS a command prompt in the other one. I had a friend who ran the Hellfire Club BBS, and he decided to DoubleDOS the WWIV BBS in one session, and then DoubleDOS Test Drive in the other. When he switched to the WWIV BBS, he had garbage in that screen. Apparently it didn't handle direct to hardware memory writes too well or something. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,797 by static 7/25/02 12:20:15 AM Reply	Sounds familiar. But many term programs had support for 43/50 line mode, so that's no help. I think Terminate could do that, but I suspect that's not what you meant as Terminate was a little bit of a latecomer. Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #46,885 by wharris2 7/25/02 5:56:50 PM Reply	Me, too (trying to remember) Wasn't it the "biggie" of the commercial programs? Not shareware Procomm, don't think it was named anything like minicom or bitcom, but there was one that was THE communications program of choice for anyone who bought a comm program. (This is, of course, pre-Windows Procomm. Windows Procomm, while it had its flaws, grabbed the Windows 3.x market pretty quickly.)
Post #46,913 by inthane-chan 7/25/02 8:37:51 PM Reply	No idea... To be honest, at the time one might say I was "ethically challenged" - a friend of mine gave me the comm app. There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Post #46,971 by wharris2 7/26/02 3:08:52 AM Reply	I Remember (I think) Crosstalk! Biggie for DOS people converting over from CP/M and/or people buying comm programs. Did they ever come out with a Windows version? If they did, Procomm had already nabbed the market. Crosstalk pretty much vanished from the scene after a workable Windows (aka 3.1) was released. The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle
Post #46,976 by CRConrad 7/26/02 3:52:20 AM Reply	OT re your JerryP quote: Would those be Intel lawyers? :-)
Post #46,981 by wharris2 7/26/02 4:17:10 AM Reply	Re: OT re your JerryP quote: Would those be Intel lawyers? I think that's lawyers in general: they'd rather suck blood than preserve the human race. See [link\|http://www.overlawyered.com\|www.overlawyered.com] for lots and lots of examples. Hammerfall is, of course, his novel (I think co-written with Larry Niven) about an asteroid doing a big smack-down on Earth. The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle
Post #47,018 by CRConrad 7/26/02 9:29:31 AM Reply	Duh - think I didn't know that? (T'was a pun; AMD "Hammer")
Post #47,038 by inthane-chan 7/26/02 11:05:18 AM Reply	Novel name was "Lucifer's Hammer" The event itself was called Hammerfall, though... There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Post #47,097 by orion 7/26/02 7:15:45 PM Reply	I agree working for lawyers isn't so good either. Sort of like working for The Devil, eventually you know you are going to get screwed sometime. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,901 by altmann 7/25/02 7:23:26 PM Reply	Any of these ring a bell? (Lots of other nostalgiaware too) [link\|http://www.safelink.net/danrose/aw-dos-07.html\|A DOS comm. program list] from [link\|http://www.safelink.net/danrose/aw-dos.html\|Dan's 20th. Century Abandonware ] Ah, memories... -- Chris Altmann
Post #46,912 by inthane-chan 7/25/02 8:37:47 PM Reply	Nope. There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Post #46,916 by wharris2 7/25/02 8:45:06 PM Reply	Ah! Crosstalk was it, I'm sure The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle
Post #46,960 by orion 7/26/02 1:35:57 AM Reply	Microsoft Access Not the database, but the Microsoft COM Terminal. Anyone remember that stinkeroo? Maybe it was the "mystery" terminal program? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,991 by static 7/26/02 7:10:48 AM Reply	Never used it, but I remember it. It musta stunk - MS reused the name. Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."

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