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Post #440,442 by drook 12/7/21 1:24:46 PM 12/7/21 1:26:12 PM Reply	Yeah, was just trying to do something to fix the annoyance now It's not worth the time to clean it. A new mouse of the same quality will cost less than a can of switch cleaner. I just don't have either lying around the house atm. Since mouses have gone laser the quality of even the cheapest is good enough for me. If I were a gamer or a graphic artist I could justify paying more. -- Drew Edited by drook Dec. 7, 2021, 01:26:12 PM EST Expand All History
Post #440,451 by CRConrad 12/8/21 3:45:17 AM 12/8/21 3:45:17 AM Reply	I paid A LOT more... ...but that was just to get a left-handed one. The right button is the default primary one, but above all it's the physical form that's mirrored and fits better under the left hand (incl. thumb buttons on the right, not that I really use them). Several manufacturers used to have leftie variants of mid-range mousies, but not anymore. :-( -- Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Apparently Still Knows Fucking Everything Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
Post #440,464 by pwhysall 12/8/21 2:26:20 PM 12/8/21 2:26:20 PM Reply	SteelSeries Sensei Ten here. Ambidextrous.
Post #440,480 by scoenye 12/9/21 7:43:48 PM 12/9/21 7:43:48 PM Reply	Beware Logitech - even their higher end mice The "switch" is a semi-exposed copper foil acting as contact and spring. It eventually develops patina on the contact spot and clicks become stutters. I'm too cheap to toss even a $50 mouse so I sand the contacts every 6 months or so.
Post #440,483 by drook 12/10/21 9:14:37 AM 12/10/21 12:16:26 PM Reply	Heh, we've got a different range for "cheap" I'm talking about <$10. Will probably buy 2 and keep one as a spare. [edit] Whoops, forgot to escape the LT symbol and the rest disappeared. -- Drew Edited by drook Dec. 10, 2021, 12:16:26 PM EST Expand All History
Post #440,489 by crazy 12/10/21 11:20:51 AM 12/10/21 11:20:51 AM Reply	I have no idea what that meant I've got $100 trackballs. I can't imagine replacing them with anything else. I will clean them as needed. Do you have anything that special?
Post #440,491 by boxley 12/10/21 11:28:14 AM 12/10/21 11:28:14 AM Reply	$6 is kind of expensive for a mouse to me "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #440,492 by drook 12/10/21 12:18:09 PM 12/10/21 12:18:09 PM Reply	Yeah, that's my range Going to hit Best Buy this afternoon and get two of whatever are the cheapest wired ones they've got. I may splurge and make one of them a wireless if the charging looks super convenient, and it's still under $15. -- Drew
Post #440,494 by Another Scott 12/10/21 12:38:27 PM 12/10/21 12:38:27 PM Reply	I've become a fan of these Anker vertical things for $28. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BIFNTMC/ Mousing around for 10 hours a day still bothers my wrist, so I don't do that often, but this version seems to help quite a bit when I have to do so. Cheers, Scott.
Post #440,499 by malraux 12/10/21 3:08:04 PM 12/10/21 3:08:04 PM Reply	I have one of those Replaced it last week with a Logitech because the Anker kept stuttering and failing to work any time it got more than a few feet away from the computer. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #440,509 by drook 12/10/21 5:38:02 PM 12/10/21 5:38:02 PM Reply	What horrible marketing The top one looks so much straighter and more relaxed. -- Drew
Post #440,510 by CRConrad 12/10/21 6:03:41 PM 12/10/21 6:03:41 PM Reply	Look again. More carefully. In both pics, the total visual height of the hand is about equal, with a slope from the wrist up to the knuckle where the index finger starts. But there's a difference: In the top pic, the height and upward slope is because the hand is actually angled upwards at the wrist. In the bottom one, the hand is rotated around the axis of the forearm; the "height" is because a hand is wider than it is thick, the visual upward slope not because anything is bent but because the hand widens -- so "width" is vertical(1) in this picture -- from the wrist. At least that how it looks and feels when I just tried it, empty-handed, on my desk. (Dang, maybe gotta get one of these contraptions?) But yeah, you're right, as marketing it sucks: One shouldn't be required to either have to look twice and think hard about what one is seeing, or come away with the belief that both are equally un-ergonomic -- but "they've just drawn a straight arrow through an equally contorted hand!" was my first-glance reaction, too. Then again, it appears they suck at marketing in general: "Vetical"? ___ 1: Or at least slanted; the forearm in that lower pic doesn't appear to be rotated 90 degrees compared to the upper one, but perhaps around 45. Or maybe it's just photographed from too much of a height. -- Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Apparently Still Knows Fucking Everything Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
Post #440,514 by Another Scott 12/10/21 6:23:01 PM 12/10/21 6:23:01 PM Reply	Easier way to visualize it. Without thinking about it, stand up and lift your right forearm so that it's at a 90 degree angle to your body. Your thumb is mostly up and your fingers are nearly in a vertical plane. These vertical mice come closer to approximating that position than normal mice or trackballs (where you have to rotate your wrist to be horizontal). Does it actually make a difference? Dunno. But at least it's exercising different muscles and maybe that helps. Cheers, Scott.
Post #440,518 by drook 12/10/21 7:48:03 PM 12/10/21 7:48:03 PM Reply	I would hate it I do fine movements with my fingers. This would require me to move my entire arm. No thanks. -- Drew
Post #440,525 by crazy 12/11/21 2:26:44 AM 12/11/21 2:29:51 AM Reply	It makes sense for their target market The two fingers that allow me to press a typical mouse causes my forearm to trigger pain. Anybody in my pain situation will look at this ad and think that it's wonderful. When I use a trackball I use my thumb to press the button for dragging things. So this mouse would allow me to do that. Not like I want this mouse. I'm happy with my trackball. But for people that have my pain situation and have not come across a decent track ball, they would like this. Edited by crazy Dec. 11, 2021, 02:29:51 AM EST Expand All History
Post #440,530 by malraux 12/11/21 4:38:23 PM 12/11/21 4:38:23 PM Reply	Fine finger movements still work The only difference is the wrist angle. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #440,537 by CRConrad 12/13/21 3:17:14 AM 12/13/21 3:17:14 AM Reply	Why lift up your RIGHT forearm; doesn't it work for you if you do it with the left one? Are you assymetrical in that respect? I think most peope are symmetrical. :-) -- Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Apparently Still Knows Fucking Everything Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
Post #440,539 by crazy 12/13/21 3:42:51 AM 12/13/21 3:42:51 AM Reply	Symmetrical yes, ambidextrous no I have an odd branch of that. My fine motor control is on my left side so I write as a left-handed person. But my strength and distance accuracy is on my right side so I play baseball right handed. I can't use a mouse or trackball left handed though.
Post #440,542 by Another Scott 12/13/21 12:27:28 PM 12/13/21 12:27:28 PM Reply	It's a right-handed vertical mouse. (I don't think they have a lefty version.) ;-)
Post #440,528 by pwhysall 12/11/21 4:28:49 AM 12/11/21 4:28:49 AM Reply	I can't get on with those... ...but I know a few people who are firmly in the "from my cold dead hands" camp with theirs. Seems to be one of those things that if it works for you, it really works for you.
Post #440,531 by malraux 12/11/21 4:39:53 PM 12/11/21 4:39:53 PM Reply	The worst thing about them is the height I'm forever throwing the poor thing on the floor because my arm isn't yet trained to move to the mouse high enough. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #440,527 by pwhysall 12/11/21 4:27:28 AM 12/11/21 4:27:28 AM Reply	I too value my input devices I'm typing this on a £100 CoolerMaster CK550 mechanical keyboard (cherry red MX switches, for the switchnerds amongst you) and pointing at things with a SteelSeries Sensei Ten, which was about £60.
Post #440,532 by scoenye 12/11/21 7:51:25 PM 12/11/21 7:51:25 PM Reply	I didn't consider it cheap Up to this one, I had been using mostly no-name mice but I got tired of fighting the cable. I had had a cheap cordless one but the rechargeable batteries wouldn't last more than a couple days. I got the Logitech one model before the dark field laser because the battery life was excellent, it did everything I needed and I figured the thing would last. I guess 2 out of 3 is the best to hope for :-/

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