This is just stupid

Post #409,862 by jake123 5/6/16 8:26:39 AM 5/6/16 8:26:39 AM Reply	This is just stupid How many millions of Americans have access to doctors that didn't before? That's a social gain, esp. for the people that have it now that didn't ten years ago. You know, the burger flippers part of the population, and ESPECIALLY their children. The mechanism may suck, but politics is often the art of the possible. Even if it takes another forty years to move the needle forward, that's many millions of people who are going to experience a very large social gain over those decades.
Post #409,880 by boxley 5/6/16 9:53:49 AM 5/6/16 9:53:49 AM Reply	what is even more stupid is that medicare for all could have been passed with adding a 5% increase in the medicare tax we already pay. Even if you earned 100k the 5k tax will be a savings of 15k you would not have to pay in premiums and co-pays. Corporations would still get their nut processing claims. No nother and the light of his life claim this is unworkable, we need to pay the 20k so the private corporation can make better bank. always look out for number one and don't step in number two
Post #409,883 by drook 5/6/16 10:23:51 AM 5/6/16 10:23:51 AM Reply	It would only work if you could get the law passed Is the current system better than what we had before, where millions more people had no insurance? I say yes, this is better. Would Medicare for all be even better than that? Absolutely, but plenty of lawmakers made it clear they wouldn't vote for that. Might it have passed if it came up for a vote? Maybe, and maybe someone should give that a shot. Here's the key point IMO: Of all the Republicans talking about repealing Obamacare, I haven't heard a single one of them propose replacing it with Medicare for all. So if your argument is that Obamacare is bad because it's not as good as Medicare for all, that doesn't seem to be on the menu. -- Drew
Post #409,887 by Another Scott 5/6/16 10:48:02 AM 5/6/16 10:48:02 AM Reply	Conyers gave it a shot in 2009. It died in committee (as it always does).
Post #409,888 by drook 5/6/16 11:39:19 AM 5/6/16 11:39:19 AM Reply	Liar That would have worked, not like Obamacare, so if anyone had proposed it clearly Republicans would have voted for it. -- Drew
Post #409,890 by Another Scott 5/6/16 11:49:54 AM 5/6/16 11:49:54 AM Reply	Ack! You have cut me to the bone!!11
Post #409,893 by mmoffitt 5/6/16 12:12:17 PM 5/6/16 12:12:18 PM Reply	33 million still have no insurance. HTH.
Post #409,900 by Another Scott 5/6/16 12:23:56 PM 5/6/16 12:23:56 PM Reply	Re: 33 million still have no insurance. HTH. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
Post #409,894 by mmoffitt 5/6/16 12:13:34 PM 5/6/16 12:13:34 PM Reply	Um, Bernie Sanders? Oh, but right, we aren't supposed to elect him. We're supposed to fall in line behind Hillary.
Post #409,919 by drook 5/6/16 2:46:12 PM 5/6/16 2:46:12 PM Reply	Presidents don't pass laws -- Drew
Post #409,921 by mmoffitt 5/6/16 3:27:16 PM 5/6/16 3:27:16 PM Reply	Right. NASA, New Deal, Great Society, none of those were Presidential ideas. Er, ..., wait...
Post #409,885 by Another Scott 5/6/16 10:44:20 AM 5/6/16 10:44:20 AM Reply	Re: what is even more stupid is that medicare for all could have been passed with adding a 5% 1) Medicare doesn't cover everything. People would still need supplemental insurance. 2) There weren't the votes for it. Conyers's bill died in committee. Counter-factuals are fun, but reality is what matters. Cheers, Scott.

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