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New one for nother, now he is back
http://www.weeklysta...rcent_742311.html
not a guesstimate, poor reporting or wishful thinking, actual rates wanted by insurance companies directly attributed to obamacare. Yes the link is from the weekly standard but it was headlined on the local news last night and this morning with direct interviews of the commisioner
In a press release today, Georgia insurance commissioner Ralph T. Hudgens warns that, because of Obamacare, "Georgia insurance companies are demanding massive rate increases up to 198 percent for some individuals." Hudgens claims this runs contrary to President Obama's promise to "Americans that Obamacare would lower rates."

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New Cherry-picking, of course.
http://www.georgiahe...e-rates-exchange/

But a consumer advocacy group said Hudgens was making an “apples to oranges’’ comparison on the affordability of insurance.

Cindy Zeldin of the group Georgians for a Healthy Future told GHN on Thursday that the current insurance rates in the state don’t reflect coverage for unhealthy people, who are now denied insurance or are given prices that are unaffordable.

Those currently insured on the individual market, she said, “are only the ones the insurance companies want to cover.’’

The exchange rates also don’t reflect the subsidies that many people will receive so they can afford coverage, Zeldin said. The subsidies could be as high as thousands of dollars annually for many individuals, she added.


A recent counterpoint: http://www.nytimes.c...t-to-fall-50.html

[New York] State insurance regulators say they have approved rates for 2014 that are at least 50 percent lower on average than those currently available in New York. Beginning in October, individuals in New York City who now pay $1,000 a month or more for coverage will be able to shop for health insurance for as little as $308 monthly. With federal subsidies, the cost will be even lower.


FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
New lets see, is he cherry picking the rates on his desk
that need his signature to go into effect? If he doesnt get a waiver he will have to sign these rate increases. That isn't cherry picking, call his office, they will tell you.
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New Rates on his desk aren't the last word.
http://www.washingto...er_stuf046236.php

I was reading a piece at CNNMoney about Obamacare implementation by Tami Luhby, and had to laugh bitterly at how the story was put together. The headline was “Where Obamacare Premiums Will Soar,” and it was illustrated with maps of Ohio and Florida accompanied by big scary numbers (+41% for Ohio and +35% for Florida). The first ten graphs were about the premium increases expected (based on initial insurer bids, which are about as reliable as opening bids in home negotiations) in various states, with some contrasting information on states like California and New York where premiums look to go down.

[...]

So the real story is that premiums in the individual market will go up or down depending on how similar existing state insurance regulations happen to be to the new regime Obamacare will introduce, which will produce more uniform premiums with more comprehensive coverage, and with out-of-pocket expenses capped and subsidies available to people with incomes up to four times the federal poverty level.

Yes, that’s a fairly complicated sentence, but it’s the truth, and it shouldn’t take professional journalists many hundreds of words to spit it out. I don’t want to pick on Luhby, since this is pretty typical and she did get around to providing the full information. But I think it’s fair to observe that “stories” which shriek about premium increases are not improving public understanding of Obamacare.


HTH.

Cheers,
Scott.
New not talking about a story about misinformed reporters
talking about rate increases on the desk of the insurance commissioner of the state of georgia, who would like a waiver for the obamacare provisions. If he doesnt get a waiver he signs the increases into statute. Here call for yourself
telephone: 404-656-2070
Toll Free: 800-656-2298
Between 8:00 AM and 7:00 PM
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New Georgia is actively...
Trying to make ACA not work... just like in Michigan.

Michigan had HUGE 23% increases 2 years in a row... and has almost the HIGHEST rate in the country. Effing rick Snyder and the State legislature.

As of right now... any increase in pay I might have gotten in the past few years... in prep for the ACA being put in place, have made the threshold for everything to force these increases... and it is *NOT* the ACA doing it is the GOP actively working against it.
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New Read it again.
The first ten graphs were about the premium increases expected (based on initial insurer bids, which are about as reliable as opening bids in home negotiations) in various states, with some contrasting information on states like California and New York where premiums look to go down.


Or, in other words - http://thinkprogress...um-hikes-stories/

Calculating premium rates is a complicated and tedious task that will vary greatly among states and is open to interpretation and manipulation by both supporters and opponents of President Obama’s health care law. Generalities are particularly hard to draw, as the law will impact Americans differently: the new regulations will lead some younger people to may pay more than they’re contributing now, but will save older and sicker people hundreds, if not thousands of dollars a month.

Still, since Republicans are politically motivated to portray the proposed premium increases in a negative light and the media is far more interested in sensational claims about Obamacare failing, coverage of the new rates often leads readers with the mistaken perception that the law is coming off the tracks. Below is a short guide that will help you identify if someone is misrepresenting how much premiums will increase under Obamacare:


Or, in other words - http://obamacarefact...amacare-myths.php

ObamaCare Myth: Obamacare Means Higher Premiums

One of the most wide spread ObamaCare myths is that ObamaCare increases insurance premiums. While many Americans have seen their health insurance premiums rise since the passing of the new health care law, blaming "ObamaCare" is an over simplification of the truth. ObamaCare actually stops insurance companies from raising premiums on sick people and people with preexisting conditions. It also adds a number of consumer protections and cost-cutting measures that help to decrease the growing rate of health insurance.

One of the major aims of the program is to make insurance more affordable the tens of millions of Americans who could not previously afford insurance. One of the ways ObamaCare helps to lower insurance premiums is by letting low and middle income Americans shop for health insurance on the "insurance exchanges", an online market where healthcare providers offer affordable quality healthcare to compete to be your healthcare provider.

A recent CBO report shows that ObamaCare is projected to lower most Americans insurance premiums by 5 - 7%. That being said some Americans, especially families above the 400% FLP mark are projected to pay more for insurance as are those who purchase high-cost plans. Regardless of this, the average cots of insurance is going down, while the rate at which costs are rising is being curbed.

Despite the best intensions and consumer protections offered by the new health care law (such as insurance companies being required to justify rate hikes of a certain amount to the State for approval), it has not prevented insurance companies are raising rates to compensate for costly aspects of the program such preexisting conditions reform.


Or, in other words - http://obamacarefact...tof-obamacare.php

What Will ObamaCare Cost Me?

It has been estimated that a basic "bronze" level health care plan is estimated to cost the Average American between $4,500 - $5,800 without cost assistance. Please be aware costs can vary greatly depending on a number of factors including location, health status and age. The bronze plan covers 60% of out of pocket health care costs and offers basic coverage. Plans range from the basic "Bronze" (60%) to "Silver" (70%) more expensive "Gold" (80%) and "Platinum" (90%) level plans. High-end plans carry a 40% excise tax which helps pay for the program.

How Much Does ObamaCare Cost The Average American?

The cost of ObamaCare plans depend on a number of factors including: the market your purchasing insurance in, your health status, the quality of the plan and your income, to name a few. Plans range from bare-bones "Bronze" plans to high-end "Platinum" plans. "Bronze" plans for individuals are expected to cost between $4,500 and $5,800 a year in 2016. But if you make less than 4 times the Federal poverty line ($11,170 in 2012), you’ll pay less by virtue of receiving tax credits. Someone making up to 133% of the FPL will get credits so that his net payment will be only 2% of income, while those making 300% to 400% of FPL will pay 9.5% of FPL.

Please note that while ObamaCare regulates insurance companies, you will still be purchasing private insurance (unless you choose to pay the penalty or are covered under Medicaid/Medicare).


Or, in other words - http://obamacarefact...ance-premiums.php

How ObamaCare Affects Health Insurance Premiums

ObamaCare Insurance premiums are a sore subject with many readers; however, ObamaCare insurance premium increases are a response to the protections offered by ObamaCare. The primary cause of the insurance premium rate hikes seems to be the mandate to cover high-risk consumers, such as Americans with pre-existing conditions. ObamaCare is insurance reform aimed at making insurance more affordable, it actually enacts a number of provisions to protect consumers against insurance premium rate hikes.

Let's take a look at ObamaCare insurance premiums, why your provider may be raising your rates and how to acquire Affordable health insurance that is protected under the Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare).


(Read the whole thing.)

Or, in other words, Hudgens is not telling the truth about what's going on. Not living there, he doesn't care what I think. Maybe you should call him instead.

HTH.

Cheers,
Scott.
New you can read pressers all you want
All of the people that say its not true dont have those policy increases on their desk. Instead they will wah wah wah like folkert and shout republicans, when it is insurance companies.
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New It is the insurance companies that...
caused the republicans to hamstring the ACA.

Get your shit together buckwheat. Just because YOU don't think you need insurance doesn't mean *WE* won't pay for it sooner or later *FOR YOU*.

We *WILL* be on the hook for your poor choices and your lack of coverage, I can bet, fairly soon.
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New suck it up, ssi got it covered
and I have been paying for that shit for a long time
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New Not really...
Because the GOP keeps defunding ACORN...

and borrowing/stealing from SSI to pay for the DoD.

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New kwitcherbitchin we all have choices
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New But I'll have to pay for yours...
Why can't you pay for mine then...
oh, right.

You are poor as dirt you can't be expected to be responsible. Ok... carry on.
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New I have been paying for mine since they started deducting
the medicare portion of my paycheck. When I hit social security age I will use it. If I get too ill to work then I can use what I have paid in to get coverage under SSI.
Just because you want to go to a doc everytime your handss get sweaty and are too fucking cheap to pay by the visit don;t whine about others.

I see a doctor as needed and have negotiatted fees for most services which I pay. At 30 I was told to take High blood preasure medication at $200 a month. I bought $10 worth of life insurance instead. Choices, you made yours I made mine.
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New Listen BO...
If you'd go to the effing Doctor's office once in a fecking while, you might just not be such and insufferable dolt, trying to inflict your style of banter that nearly no-one understands or wants to. I've also been paying for that "privilege" as long as i have been working.

Oh wait... now you WANT that security net in place? What the hell? Who are you and what have you done with BO?
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Expand Edited by folkert Aug. 7, 2013, 06:08:47 PM EDT
New readme in my posts
I go to a doctor regularly and pay for the visit, not like you who just pays a 10% co-pay then bitch when I dont want to chip in to the other $85 your insurance pays. I just pay cash, full negotiated amount and done. Procedures like colonoscopies are negotiable. Thats how I do it. I don't go around whinig about how others need to pay the same way I do.

If you don't want to read my posts then quit fucking reading them, much less responding to them
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New I pay over $18,000 in premiums you ass munch.
And for my full family and everything...

$2389 per month.
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Expand Edited by folkert Aug. 7, 2013, 06:35:56 PM EDT
New Still don't understand why you pay so much
BCBS of Michigan will take anyone - by law, they're the insurer of last resort in Michigan. They don't charge based on history either. 80/20 $2500 deductible runs about $800/mo for a family of 4, I think. Certainly not any $2400/mo. The only rub is a 6mo pre-existing exclusionary period, but that doesn't count for kids and (IIRC) it's waived in certain circumstances.
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New thats why he whines so much and wants me
to pay his fair share. Not my fault he has the most expensive plan in the country
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New oh...
Fuck yourself.

I pay the employer portion and everything for dental and vision coverage. Plus I have a bit of long term disability in there should I ever fucking need it you ass munch.
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New hey, Im not the one avoiding paying into the collective we
Ass munch youself. You owe the feds about 4k on that money if there was a level playing field. All you fat cats on a benefit heavy contract to avoid paying taxes, would have to pay that shit AFTER taxes, like the great unwashed over here. So how much did you bet that you would be fucking demented before the age of 50? Looks like you made the right bet.
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New ... you can just live in your own world.
I make far less than you do anyway... so WTF are you worrying about.
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New Company has no brick and mortar in Michigan.
So, due to some things to deal with how Michigan sees foreign entities (not in the Michigan Tax base) Coverage is based on a very nasty and complex series of things the Politicians put in place oh so many years ago and they still have the protectionism going on...

At least that is what I am being told.
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New So don't get your coverage through your company.
BCBS doesn't care about pre-existing if you don't care about a 6 month exclusion period (which will only be 3 months given that ends in 2014).
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New The only stuff they will "provide"
Is through an "HR" company called Trinet.

I'm almost ready to just have them pay me and have the money and then buy my own.

We have pre-existing conditions already... Diabetes, My adult Child has some existing things going on...

So that leaves us out.
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New Ignore what your company provides.
Just drop their insurance. You'll save money regardless, from the sounds of it.

With respect to the pre-existing conditions, only you can make the decision if 3 months is too long. Given the cost of insulin, I would imagine it might still be cheaper to pay for it out of pocket for a few months.

I pay $300/mo for my BCBS insurance, for just me, and I've got enough pre-existing conditions that other insurance companies won't cover me.
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New go to costco and get some
https://www51.aetna....stco/basicInfo.do
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New You sound like a frigging Fox-Limbaugh-Koch trumpet.
Have you NO fucking brains at all left? Fuck didja do with'em; too much recreational chemistry, or just plain lived in parts of Yank-land unconducive to rational thought (Moose-hunter Hockey Mom Land, Deep South) for too long? Maybe you have to be born a Yank to have bred-in immunity, and your sensitive Pommy genes mean you just cain't handle that shit for decades without turning into a caricature cracker Bubba Klan Dragon.
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Christian R. Conrad
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(Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
New nice rant, perhaps you should save it for something useful
not when the insurance commisioner of my state needs a waiver or will sign heath care insurance that will have 198% increases. Thats not an opinion, jack
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New Funny how he's the only one asking for a waiver, huh.
New he is doing the job he was elected for
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New took a quick look
Delaware and N. Dakota nevada massachuetes newhapshire
google obamacare waivers states
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New Meh.
http://www.georgiahe...e-rates-exchange/

Georgia was the only state that asked for a 30-day extension to continue to analyze the rate increases. Hudgens said he wanted Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to review the Georgia premiums as well.


FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
New so he wants her sig that 198% is okay, coverin his butt
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New Sure. He's totally sincere.
http://savannahnow.c...ange#.Ufwji42sg4s

ATLANTA — Georgia may not start its Obamacare health exchange Oct. 1 when the rest of the country does because the state issued an emergency request late Monday [July 29] for a delay.

Georgia Insurance Commissioner Ralph Hudgens asked U.S. Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius for another 30 days beyond tomorrow’s [August 1] deadline to approve the health plans submitted by seven insurance companies wanting to do business in the state.

He said some rates were 198 percent higher than current plans available in the state.

“Georgia consumers cannot afford these massive rate increases,” Hudgens wrote in his letter to her.

Hudgens said he received the reports Monday [July 29] of outside actuaries hired to review the premiums requested by seven insurance companies wanting to offer individual health plans through the state’s exchange. Those actuaries concluded that six sought justifiable premiums and the seventh was 11 percent above what was necessary to comply with the requirements of the federal health reform law known as Obamacare.


Yeah, giving her less than 3 days to evaluate the information and make a decision is a sincere appeal.

Just like his previous appeal - http://www.gpb.org/n...decision-delayed#

From October 2011:
SAVANNAH, Ga. — Kathleen Sebelius is Secretary of Health and Human Services. Her office is considering several waivers from the Affordable Care Act, including a request from Georgia.

The US Health and Human Services Department will take another 30 days to decide whether Georgia can phase in a key provision of health care reform more slowly.

Georgia's top insurance official wants Georgia exempt from a part of the law until 2014.

The provision requires insurance firms to spend no more than 20% of individual premiums on administration and certain other costs.

Cindy Zeldin of Georgians for a Healthy Future says, the rule would benefit consumers.

"It provides better value for consumers," Zeldin says. "And it was our estimation, based on the data, that Georgia insurance companies could go ahead and phase this in more quickly and that there would be a benefit for consumers for doing so."

Georgia Insurance and Safety Fire Commissioner Ralph Hudges says, the provision will hurt competition.


FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
New I don't care whether he is sincere
the prices the insurance companies want to charge are sincere, and not the great savings promised us and waived by the administration for all of it's unions, gummint workers and all of corporate america for another year.
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New When would a robber baron *not* sincerely want to charge...
...an arm and a leg?!?

Funny how they're only trying that shit in Jawrja and other Cracker Klan Dragon Bubba places, where they're hoping there'll be a slim chance of getting this bullpucky passed politically. 'Coz as everyone knows, the passing of the Affordable Care Act altered the biology of the human being so drastically differently that in places like New York, people became twice as healthy as before, making a 50% reduction in rates possible -- whereas in CKDB-land, everyone immediately became 200% more sickly. Can't have the slightest iota to do with their percieved chances of having CKDB state legislatures -- backed by uninformed rah-rah CKDB opinion like, well, yours -- throwing a stick in the spokes of extending reasonably comprehensive health insurance at non-ruinous rates to everyone, like, you know, seems to be possible in the civilised world (No, I didn't forget the phrase "rest of the"), can it?

What's so frustrating is that for all I know, you're spouting this crap without even getting paid for it. One can't help but wonder what the heck you're expecting to get out of this constant wild-eyed raving in rabid support of the very forces that want to exploit and abuse you along with everyone else... What are you hoping for; some sort of show of gratitude before you die, in return for having helped them make the world a worse place for yourself and everyone else but them, or what? (Sorry, but I think you're going to be massively disappointed even on that modest hope.)
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New Hey I like the idea of forcing healthy young folks to pay
lots of money to support health care for the old. I am old after all but declaring a mandate, then cherry picking who doesnt have to pay anything extyra for a year or two, absolving unions corporations goivernemt and only enforcing mandate on individuals and small buasineeses seems a little wrong dunnit? Yeah, only a redneck would see anything wrong with that.
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New Sorry; please learn to write English if you want a reply.
That was so terse (or drunk, I'm not sure which) as to be pretty much total gibberish, so I just simply cannot reply to it since I didn't understand it.
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(Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
New yer outta practice :-)
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New Was you ever bit by a dead Bee? Y'know they can ... ...
New "Rant"?!? A) That was an effing *quip*, Bubba!
You obviously ain't seen me rantin' for far too long. Trust me, when I do, you'll remember the difference. (Hint: It involves using the PgDn key, which you didn't have to for the preceding little quip.)

B) That was a try to save your life, not a "rant". Get the heck outta there while there's still a remote chance that your grey matter might regenerate!
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New Affordable Care Act is working...
In the states where the GOP is not actively able to work against it.

Come on Box... you of all people should see the shell games being played here. You of course *CAN'T* because you don't care if you have insurance or not.

Eventually, we will be paying for you bad health choices... one way or another.
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New Wonkette has more...
http://wonkette.com/...-to-help-everyone

Ralph Hudgens, the insurance commissioner for the great state of Georgia, recently bragged to a meeting of Republicans,

“Let me tell you what we’re doing (about ObamaCare)[:] … Everything in our power to be an obstructionist.”


Oh, really? Tell us more, Atlanta Journal-Constitution columnist Jay Bookman!

After pausing to let applause roll over him, a grinning Hudgens went on to give an example of that obstructionist behavior, this one involving so-called “navigators” who are being hired to guide customers through the process of buying health insurance on marketplaces, or exchanges, set up under the federal program.

“We have passed a law that says that a navigator, which is a position in that exchange, has to be licensed by our Department of Insurance,” Hudgens said. “The ObamaCare law says that we cannot require them to be an insurance agent, so we said fine, we’ll just require them to be a licensed navigator. So we’re going to make up the test, and basically you take the insurance agent test, you erase the name, you write ‘navigator test’ on it.”

Hudgens clearly thought that was a pretty cute way for state officials to obstruct and delay implementation of the program and to ensure that it doesn’t work well for Georgians. Judging from their reaction, his audience thought so too.


[...]


You go Ralph... :-/

Cheers,
Scott.
New Gee...
If only we had a Public Option no one would have to buy private insurance and that ploy wouldn't work.
New those darn repo's
everyone knows that a navigator doesnt require a background check to have full access to your healthcare data and all personal id, why would they need a test?
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New Once again Bill
his stated goal is not about making it work, it's about making it not work. And a background check is a very different thing from a test.

Seriously dude, there's tons of shit that you can rake Obama over the coals for that's legitimate. Why are you working over the shit that's not?
New not having a background check for navigators
is a good idea? Since when? Does your government allow hiring of people for accessing extremely sensitive personal info, say the motor vehicle department without a check to see if they have previously run a chop shop?
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New But that's not what they're talking about, now is it?
New what who is talking about?
georgia wants to license them, as part of getting a license they will be background checked. A test to see if they are even qualified for usage may be useful. Is he throwing up a roadblock? Sure, just because it is a roadblock doesnt mean its a bad idea. The fact that ahem, that some navigators are too stupid to tie their own shoes for certain exchanges is anecdotal, not data
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New Ralph Hudgens, the insurance commissioner
He's not talking about trying to do things well, he flat out stated he's being obstructionist. He's working for the people he's supposed to be regulating.

That's who. Read the quote.
New one man's obstruction may be another man's well thought out
plan to regulate navigators
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New That is *NOT*...
his stated GOAL.

It is to make ACA not work in Georgia. Friggin read man. Stop filtering pertinent data.
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New BOxley is blind...
He only reads what he wants to read.

Then only interprets things in a way only someone with an agenda would interpret them.

What nearly everyone sees here is that tank he is driving, laying strawmen mines.
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New Nope, you are...
He's in troll mode; he's trying to make you angry. He knows EXACTLY what he's reading and how he's twisting it. Every time you get pissed off, he wins. It's pretty obvious and you're missing it and he's winning big time.
New I am past...
getting angry anymore. I'm not even in the least. I'm doing it now for enjoyment... (or so my wife thinks)

You may think I'm feeding the troll (DNFTT and all that), until recently he was getting further and further away from making any sense, fewer words, fewer threads that were even recognizable, fewer ideas that could be turned.


At least now, IMO, he is understandable... dang, ok. Wait, he is actually forming more coherent trolls. In essence, I'm help him be a better troll.

Great... First world problems, I guess. :/
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Expand Edited by folkert Aug. 30, 2013, 07:51:01 PM EDT
Expand Edited by folkert Aug. 30, 2013, 07:52:11 PM EDT
New on the edits...
I just figured a thing that Apache Bombs on for content here.

The previous message would *BOMB* with the content ending in

a single "colon" and single "backslash" in succession

like this one: :\

Except without it showing up.

I'll put this in the admin forum as well.
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     one for nother, now he is back - (boxley) - (56)
         Cherry-picking, of course. - (Another Scott) - (25)
             lets see, is he cherry picking the rates on his desk - (boxley) - (24)
                 Rates on his desk aren't the last word. - (Another Scott) - (23)
                     not talking about a story about misinformed reporters - (boxley) - (22)
                         Georgia is actively... - (folkert)
                         Read it again. - (Another Scott) - (20)
                             you can read pressers all you want - (boxley) - (19)
                                 It is the insurance companies that... - (folkert) - (18)
                                     suck it up, ssi got it covered - (boxley) - (17)
                                         Not really... - (folkert) - (16)
                                             kwitcherbitchin we all have choices -NT - (boxley) - (15)
                                                 But I'll have to pay for yours... - (folkert) - (14)
                                                     I have been paying for mine since they started deducting - (boxley) - (13)
                                                         Listen BO... - (folkert) - (12)
                                                             readme in my posts - (boxley) - (11)
                                                                 I pay over $18,000 in premiums you ass munch. - (folkert) - (10)
                                                                     Still don't understand why you pay so much - (malraux) - (9)
                                                                         thats why he whines so much and wants me - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                             oh... - (folkert) - (2)
                                                                                 hey, Im not the one avoiding paying into the collective we - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                     ... you can just live in your own world. - (folkert)
                                                                         Company has no brick and mortar in Michigan. - (folkert) - (4)
                                                                             So don't get your coverage through your company. - (malraux) - (3)
                                                                                 The only stuff they will "provide" - (folkert) - (2)
                                                                                     Ignore what your company provides. - (malraux)
                                                                                     go to costco and get some - (boxley)
         You sound like a frigging Fox-Limbaugh-Koch trumpet. - (CRConrad) - (14)
             nice rant, perhaps you should save it for something useful - (boxley) - (13)
                 Funny how he's the only one asking for a waiver, huh. -NT - (Another Scott) - (11)
                     he is doing the job he was elected for -NT - (boxley)
                     took a quick look - (boxley) - (9)
                         Meh. - (Another Scott) - (8)
                             so he wants her sig that 198% is okay, coverin his butt -NT - (boxley) - (7)
                                 Sure. He's totally sincere. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                                     I don't care whether he is sincere - (boxley) - (5)
                                         When would a robber baron *not* sincerely want to charge... - (CRConrad) - (3)
                                             Hey I like the idea of forcing healthy young folks to pay - (boxley) - (2)
                                                 Sorry; please learn to write English if you want a reply. - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                                     yer outta practice :-) -NT - (boxley)
                                         Was you ever bit by a dead Bee? Y'know they can ... ... -NT - (Ashton)
                 "Rant"?!? A) That was an effing *quip*, Bubba! - (CRConrad)
         Affordable Care Act is working... - (folkert)
         Wonkette has more... - (Another Scott) - (13)
             Gee... - (mmoffitt)
             those darn repo's - (boxley) - (11)
                 Once again Bill - (jake123) - (10)
                     not having a background check for navigators - (boxley) - (9)
                         But that's not what they're talking about, now is it? -NT - (jake123) - (8)
                             what who is talking about? - (boxley) - (7)
                                 Ralph Hudgens, the insurance commissioner - (jake123) - (6)
                                     one man's obstruction may be another man's well thought out - (boxley) - (1)
                                         That is *NOT*... - (folkert)
                                     BOxley is blind... - (folkert) - (3)
                                         Nope, you are... - (hnick) - (2)
                                             I am past... - (folkert) - (1)
                                                 on the edits... - (folkert)

And, of course, steaming poo...
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