You're strawmanning a bit there, Beep

Post #336,880 by jake123 12/7/10 3:08:39 PM Reply	You're strawmanning a bit there, Beep They are redacting out things from the cables where they might pose a risk to the people in question. Functionally, that's equivalent to publishing purchasing records with those things redacted... which is done right now for the benefit of marketing groups.
Post #336,881 by beepster 12/7/10 3:22:43 PM Reply	Threat made is that entire trove, not redacted, is in the open but well encrypted...to be released if something bad happens. Thats the open threat of blackmail (self-defense, whatever) . As for the remainder, while still accusation at this point (not from gov't, but others) is that info has been sold. Was that redacted? Will you ever know? And how does he know what info in those cables actually poses a risk? He may not be redacting everything that needs to be... So while I may grant you that the full blown "no secrets, any time, anywhere" position is a strawman..it isn't that much of a stretch. The only difference right now is his choice of target...and it is HIS choice. Not yours. And he could change his mind at any time. But in the interim...if anyone gets hold of info, by any means, J A is now the first place it gets copied to...right? Lots of press...he's a great guy, he is liberating the masses from government/corporate oppression etc....and then he gets to decide if he publishes in the open (redacted or not) or sold to the highest bidder (which you will likely never know happened...just like the big bad government) Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #336,884 by jake123 12/7/10 3:44:35 PM Reply	Is that any different from what's happening now? At least he's only doing it with money willingly given to him. Personally, I think that "unredacted versions of released documents" wouldn't be much of a threat. I'm more inclined to think that there's stuff in there that would cause utter revulsion by the vast majority of the world's population; revulsion so strong that it would force most of the rest of the west to stop working with the US on anything until the criminals involved had been brought to justice. Look at the statement by Nigeria that they wish to arrest Cheney for his part in the bribery scandal there. That's not just born of a desire to arrest Cheney, but also of a desire to delegitimate Interpol and/or the US. The case against Cheney is far more solid than the case against Assange. Will Interpol act to issue a warrant? If not, they are working on behalf of the powerful, not on behalf of justice. If they do, will the US agree to extradite him to face trial? If not, their actions against Assange and wikileaks are exposed as deep hypocrisy on behalf of the well-heeled and powerful rather than any actual conception of justice. It's a brilliant piece of asymmetrical legal/information warfare on the part of Nigeria. Sure, he could be selling stuff. You know, in all honesty, you should be a lot more concerned about Israel than wikileaks. So far there've been a fair number of cases of Israeli espionage against the US, and who knows what was done with that info. So far, everything you say about wikileaks possibly selling the info is simply accusations leveled by the interested rather than having any actual proof or even supporting evidence. Does it not concern you in the slightest that the propaganda push against wikileaks is on so strong? It sure wasn't due to the state department cables... it was due to the announcement about the bank documents that are coming up. Now I know you work in that industry, but has it not occurred to you that there might be things in there that would cause even you to rethink how that business functions?
Post #336,885 by boxley 12/7/10 4:04:19 PM Reply	a lot of info is for sale Im sure he would be happy to sell to interested parties. Im also sure that wikileaks was not the only sharepoint as cable traffic is on el manour in lebanon that is not redacted, denying that wikileaks is the source of that traffic and is not part of any published dump so far. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #336,886 by beepster 12/7/10 5:18:15 PM Reply	Lest I continue to have to repeat myself... I don't have to like either the government OR J.A...do I think there is legitimate double standards being used by the US Government. Absofreakinlutely. Same stuff, different day. So does this mean I have to love wikileaks? Don't think so. For reasons listed already ad nauseum. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #336,979 by crazy 12/9/10 3:44:54 AM Reply	legitimate double standards oxymoron
Post #337,008 by beepster 12/9/10 3:16:13 PM Reply	change legitimate to real then...if it suits you Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #337,017 by crazy 12/9/10 6:38:33 PM Reply	An acceptable response We live in the real world after all.

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