Post #295,344
10/30/07 6:21:38 AM
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Well aren't they silly.
There are other "crops" which can be processed to produce biofuel but aren't edible, so they don't eat into the food crop. I believe kudzu qualifies, and there are a number others. Some of them yield quite a bit more than mere corn.
Interesting that the biofuels "industry" chose corn et al. And I'm a little surprised it seems to have fallen apart so quickly.
Wade.
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Post #295,356
10/30/07 7:29:49 AM
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Here's a good scenario
We have a kudzu problem here in the States, but we couldn't convince anyone that they could make any money using it for biofuels. So, push the corn angle until it hits critical mass and implodes. Sheepishly suggest that kudzu is the answer and watch them run like Oklahoma Sooners.
Smile,
Amy
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Post #295,358
10/30/07 7:31:14 AM
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hemp being much more multiuse
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Post #295,376
10/30/07 9:43:41 AM
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Still means less overpriced food
The problem with biofuels is insufficient, arable land. Land growing inedible crud is still land not growing food sold to poor markets at a reasonable price. The WTO could run a policy of growing sufficient food around the globe to keep prices reasonable and only growing inedible crops on the spare land but I can't see that happening.
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Post #295,383
10/30/07 10:23:34 AM
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The biofuel industry chose corn because . . .
. . they could combine lobbying pressure with the powerful grain lobby to put irresistable pressure on congress critters. This biofuels thing has nothing at all to do with energy efficiency, energy independence or global warming and everything to do with money. All those other considerations are a convenient cover to get support from various grass roots enthusiasts.
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Post #295,384
10/30/07 10:46:04 AM
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Besides...
(Currently) It takes nearly 7% more energy to make a gallon of ethanol from Corn than a gallon of ethanol provides.
At least that's is the rumors I've been hearing for a few years.
In any case, originally, I thought it was supposed to make gasoline burn cleaner, but not a replacement.
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Post #295,387
10/30/07 11:11:50 AM
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That 7% may be low . . .
. . but how can we know with so many people obfuscating the figures?
Yes, ethanol was originally just an additive to replace toxic MTBEs which were leaching into the groundwater, mainly to raise the octane rating. Then it got political.
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Post #295,390
10/30/07 11:45:24 AM
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Do you *ever* use "etc", or do you think "et al" means...
...*exactly the same* as "etc" used to mean?
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Post #295,392
10/30/07 11:56:55 AM
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Etc=things, et al=people....HTH :-)
Smile,
Amy
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Post #295,430
10/31/07 7:38:52 AM
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HT... Whom, exactly, do you think you're H'ing?
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Post #295,436
10/31/07 8:36:08 AM
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I know, I know...
meant to go up one notch and forgot.
Now the roasting will be on me. (re: the other thread)
Smile,
Amy
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Post #295,398
10/30/07 1:11:05 PM
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etc is where you keep the configurations for bin HTH
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Post #295,424
10/31/07 12:25:06 AM
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Not really sure, now that I think about it.
I know 'et al' and 'etc' are different, though only marginally. I don't know why I started using it, but I seem to use 'et al.' to mean "and others", which is literally correct, but grammatically incorrect when meaning things not people. I had been taught that 'etc.' meant "and so on" which is correct in modern usage, but not literally correct. To my thinking, the difference between the two is mostly the former implies a fixed (but not necessarily known) list, whilst the latter implies an open-ended list.
Perhaps it's because 'etc' is so overused - finding something else when the overuse annoys me is one of my traits.
Wade.
Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
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Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please
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Post #295,484
11/1/07 11:54:03 AM
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Cetera="everything else", alia="other things"
Cetera="everything else", alia="other things"
Easy to tell apart in these other idomatic expressions:
"Ceteris paribus" means "everything else being equal"
"Inter alia" means "Among other things"
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