Here's a good quote from the report

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7/27/01 9:48:55 AM

Here's a good quote from the report

Remember, this is the very [link|http://www.ipcc.ch/|U.N. group report] that is constantly referenced by global-warming activists.

The basic understanding of the energy balance of the Earth system means that quite simple models can provide a broad quantitative estimate of some globally averaged variables, but more accurate estimates of feedbacks and of regional detail can only come from more elaborate climate models. The complexity of the processes in the climate system prevents the use of extrapolation of past trends or statistical and other purely empirical techniques for projections.

Call me a skeptic, but that doesn't sound to me like a ringing pronouncement that global warming has been confirmed.

This is my sig. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

Post #2,940

7/27/01 11:16:41 AM

There's More

Richard Lindzen, a meteorology professor at MIT, was part of the 11 member team that prepared a report comissioned by the NAS on climate change.

See here: [link|http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=95000606|http://opinionjourn...?id=95000606]

Last week the National Academy of Sciences released a report on climate change, prepared in response to a request from the White House, that was depicted in the press as an implicit endorsement of the Kyoto Protocol. CNN's Michelle Mitchell was typical of the coverage when she declared that the report represented "a unanimous decision that global warming is real, is getting worse, and is due to man. There is no wiggle room."

As one of 11 scientists who prepared the report, I can state that this is simply untrue. For starters, the NAS never asks that all participants agree to all elements of a report, but rather that the report represent the span of views. This the full report did, making clear that there is no consensus, unanimous or otherwise, about long-term climate trends and what causes them.

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Steve

Shrub is singlehandedly undoing years of foriegn policy work - (inthane-chan) - (67) - July 26, 2001, 12:21:25 AM EDT

just spent a few hours revewing Potsdam - (boxley) - July 26, 2001, 03:03:00 AM EDT

Tom Tomorrow feels our pain - (Ashton) - (6) - July 26, 2001, 08:06:44 AM EDT

sumbitch outa be arrested for spying :) -NT - (boxley) - July 26, 2001, 10:32:41 AM EDT

On global warming - (drewk) - (4) - July 27, 2001, 09:07:33 AM EDT

I'd read that too - (SpiceWare) - (3) - July 27, 2001, 09:19:38 AM EDT

I'm looking for a reference - (drewk) - (2) - July 27, 2001, 09:38:34 AM EDT

Here's a good quote from the report - (drewk) - (1) - July 27, 2001, 09:48:55 AM EDT

There's More - (Steve Lowe) - July 27, 2001, 11:16:41 AM EDT

I dunno - (SpiceWare) - (12) - July 26, 2001, 11:13:46 AM EDT

I could understand it if... - (inthane-chan) - (3) - July 26, 2001, 11:38:13 AM EDT

Not quite - (Fearless Freep) - (2) - July 26, 2001, 11:47:16 AM EDT

In other words... - (jb4) - (1) - July 30, 2001, 09:32:50 AM EDT

Of course - (Fearless Freep) - July 30, 2001, 11:25:07 AM EDT

Exactly why... - (Fearless Freep) - July 26, 2001, 11:44:06 AM EDT

NMD == waste of money. - (pwhysall) - (6) - July 27, 2001, 02:39:21 AM EDT

That and history has shown that defensive arms races - (Simon_Jester) - July 27, 2001, 08:36:08 AM EDT

What would you have said in the 30s? 50s? - (addison) - (4) - July 27, 2001, 10:58:00 AM EDT

Question... - (Simon_Jester) - (3) - July 30, 2001, 03:26:54 PM EDT

Re: Question... - (addison) - (2) - July 30, 2001, 03:57:04 PM EDT

The same Patriot missile system used in Desert Storm? - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - July 30, 2001, 07:01:55 PM EDT

The very same. - (addison) - July 30, 2001, 07:23:35 PM EDT

Interesting points - (Fearless Freep) - July 26, 2001, 11:52:14 AM EDT

Is that bad? - (addison) - July 27, 2001, 11:15:17 AM EDT

Re: Shrub is singlehandedly undoing years of foriegn policy - (bepatient) - (43) - July 28, 2001, 11:31:16 AM EDT

OK.. but if the cold war is over: - (Ashton) - (42) - July 29, 2001, 05:01:07 PM EDT

Re: OK.. but if the cold war is over: - (addison) - (20) - July 29, 2001, 05:09:08 PM EDT

Priorities. - (Ashton) - (19) - July 29, 2001, 05:31:13 PM EDT

Support Faith Based Missle Defense Systems. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (18) - July 30, 2001, 01:35:05 PM EDT

Believe that's called, 'karma'___________________:-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - July 30, 2001, 07:10:25 PM EDT

That's what we have now. - (addison) - (16) - July 30, 2001, 07:24:33 PM EDT

Exactly How Hard Do you think it is... - (mmoffitt) - (15) - Aug. 1, 2001, 05:56:18 PM EDT

Thanks, Mike - wouldn't have found that one. LRPD below: - (Ashton) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2001, 06:29:31 PM EDT

Eerier and eerier. LRPD speaks again: - (Ashton) - Aug. 1, 2001, 06:35:05 PM EDT

Only one question - (wharris2) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2001, 07:03:57 PM EDT

Also.. - (Fearless Freep) - Aug. 1, 2001, 09:57:56 PM EDT

Pretty hard. - (addison) - (10) - Aug. 1, 2001, 09:05:18 PM EDT

I more interesting in why this was mentioned after the test. - (Simon_Jester) - (9) - Aug. 2, 2001, 12:07:27 AM EDT

Re: I more interesting in why this was mentioned after the t - (addison) - (8) - Aug. 2, 2001, 12:13:18 AM EDT

Actually it *IS* the same thing. - (Simon_Jester) - (7) - Aug. 2, 2001, 09:08:50 AM EDT

What I read... - (admin) - (6) - Aug. 2, 2001, 11:07:09 AM EDT

Scott, it's certainly possible. - (Simon_Jester) - (5) - Aug. 2, 2001, 01:20:43 PM EDT

No, it shouldn't. - (addison) - (4) - Aug. 2, 2001, 03:03:16 PM EDT

Certainly. - (Simon_Jester) - (3) - Aug. 2, 2001, 03:48:16 PM EDT

Pot, Kettle, and Black. - (addison) - (2) - Aug. 2, 2001, 04:48:47 PM EDT

Nope. Sorry. Not the same at all. - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Aug. 2, 2001, 07:12:51 PM EDT

Fine. -NT - (addison) - Aug. 2, 2001, 07:30:19 PM EDT

ok now... - (bepatient) - (20) - July 31, 2001, 08:38:45 AM EDT

Full agreement. - (a6l6e6x) - July 31, 2001, 02:27:39 PM EDT

Ya got me there, partly. Smartass. - (Ashton) - (18) - Aug. 1, 2001, 02:39:36 AM EDT

Re: Ya got me there, partly. Smartass. - (bepatient) - (9) - Aug. 1, 2001, 07:32:36 AM EDT

So then: a suitable metric for er - (Ashton) - (8) - Aug. 1, 2001, 06:43:02 PM EDT

I'm not sure what your point is. - (bepatient) - (7) - Aug. 1, 2001, 09:57:49 PM EDT

The need for defense spending will end... - (a6l6e6x) - Aug. 1, 2001, 10:14:20 PM EDT

Cold war 5.0 avge; 2000 3.9 = 20% reduction - (Ashton) - (5) - Aug. 2, 2001, 04:47:48 AM EDT

Avg vs High vs Trend - (bepatient) - (4) - Aug. 2, 2001, 10:14:53 AM EDT

Nice chart. - (Ashton) - (3) - Aug. 2, 2001, 04:37:52 PM EDT

Well... - (bepatient) - (1) - Aug. 2, 2001, 07:53:08 PM EDT

These points are of course, debatable. Simply they aren't - (Ashton) - Aug. 3, 2001, 05:16:48 AM EDT

what price victory or defeat? - (boxley) - Aug. 2, 2001, 08:42:43 PM EDT

Not any more - (Fearless Freep) - (5) - Aug. 1, 2001, 03:20:32 PM EDT

Hmmm.. then what chimera are we using to replace it? -NT - (Ashton) - (4) - Aug. 1, 2001, 06:49:18 PM EDT

Nothing much - (Fearless Freep) - (3) - Aug. 1, 2001, 06:55:47 PM EDT

That sounds relatively sane. But why so expensive still? - (Ashton) - (2) - Aug. 2, 2001, 04:53:46 AM EDT

Simple, operational deployment costs more.... - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 2, 2001, 11:09:04 AM EDT

LRPD below explains! 'We have a moral imperative.' -NT - (Ashton) - Aug. 2, 2001, 04:39:42 PM EDT

Gotta wory 'bout France, ya know... *snicker* -NT - (jb4) - (1) - Aug. 2, 2001, 01:51:26 PM EDT

More than you know ;) - (bepatient) - Aug. 2, 2001, 07:45:26 PM EDT

Whenever someone says, "Show, don't tell," aren't they violating that exact rule?
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