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Post #3,470
by Fearless Freep
8/1/01 3:20:32 PM
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New Not any more
Is it about: the mythical man-mo ^h^h umm simultaneous Theatre-class War on Two Fronts\ufffd for which we must perpetually rehearse?

The current Secretary of Defense (Donald Rumsfeld) has told Congress that they are pretty much abandoning that philosophy
Jay O'Connor

"Going places unmapped
to do things unplanned
to people unsuspecting"
Post #3,518
by Ashton
8/1/01 6:49:18 PM
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New Hmmm.. then what chimera are we using to replace it?
Post #3,520
by Fearless Freep
8/1/01 6:55:47 PM
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New Nothing much
In the last eight to ten years, the military has been trying to say "this is our job, let us do it". However politicians have been using the military for a lot of little things that the military wasn't well set up to do like humanitarian relief, local policing, show of force exercises, etc... stuff the military didn't really want to do that sapped it's operating proficiency. That's why our military is in such a shambles today. Basically, Rumsfield has said that they are going to abandon the two theatre war policy and focus on being better equipped for the smaller mission sets
Jay O'Connor

"Going places unmapped
to do things unplanned
to people unsuspecting"
Post #3,585
by Ashton
8/2/01 4:53:46 AM
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New That sounds relatively sane. But why so expensive still?
Assuming BP's numbers in ballpark: I still read 4/5 of avge cold war GNP% - in 2000.

I fail to understand the nature of this 'threat' which requires expenditures that close to cold war rate.

A.
Post #3,612
by Fearless Freep
8/2/01 11:09:04 AM
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New Simple, operational deployment costs more....
...the training and preparataion.

Actually deploying troops to Bosnia, etc,...is more expensive than merely preparing to do the same.
Jay O'Connor

"Going places unmapped
to do things unplanned
to people unsuspecting"
Post #3,643
by Ashton
8/2/01 4:39:42 PM
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New LRPD below explains! 'We have a moral imperative.'
     Shrub is singlehandedly undoing years of foriegn policy work - (inthane-chan) - (67) - July 26, 2001, 12:21:25 AM EDT
         just spent a few hours revewing Potsdam - (boxley) - July 26, 2001, 03:03:00 AM EDT
         Tom Tomorrow feels our pain - (Ashton) - (6) - July 26, 2001, 08:06:44 AM EDT
             sumbitch outa be arrested for spying :) -NT - (boxley) - July 26, 2001, 10:32:41 AM EDT
             On global warming - (drewk) - (4) - July 27, 2001, 09:07:33 AM EDT
                 I'd read that too - (SpiceWare) - (3) - July 27, 2001, 09:19:38 AM EDT
                     I'm looking for a reference - (drewk) - (2) - July 27, 2001, 09:38:34 AM EDT
                         Here's a good quote from the report - (drewk) - (1) - July 27, 2001, 09:48:55 AM EDT
                             There's More - (Steve Lowe) - July 27, 2001, 11:16:41 AM EDT
         I dunno - (SpiceWare) - (12) - July 26, 2001, 11:13:46 AM EDT
             I could understand it if... - (inthane-chan) - (3) - July 26, 2001, 11:38:13 AM EDT
                 Not quite - (Fearless Freep) - (2) - July 26, 2001, 11:47:16 AM EDT
                     In other words... - (jb4) - (1) - July 30, 2001, 09:32:50 AM EDT
                         Of course - (Fearless Freep) - July 30, 2001, 11:25:07 AM EDT
             Exactly why... - (Fearless Freep) - July 26, 2001, 11:44:06 AM EDT
             NMD == waste of money. - (pwhysall) - (6) - July 27, 2001, 02:39:21 AM EDT
                 That and history has shown that defensive arms races - (Simon_Jester) - July 27, 2001, 08:36:08 AM EDT
                 What would you have said in the 30s? 50s? - (addison) - (4) - July 27, 2001, 10:58:00 AM EDT
                     Question... - (Simon_Jester) - (3) - July 30, 2001, 03:26:54 PM EDT
                         Re: Question... - (addison) - (2) - July 30, 2001, 03:57:04 PM EDT
                             The same Patriot missile system used in Desert Storm? - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - July 30, 2001, 07:01:55 PM EDT
                                 The very same. - (addison) - July 30, 2001, 07:23:35 PM EDT
         Interesting points - (Fearless Freep) - July 26, 2001, 11:52:14 AM EDT
         Is that bad? - (addison) - July 27, 2001, 11:15:17 AM EDT
         Re: Shrub is singlehandedly undoing years of foriegn policy - (bepatient) - (43) - July 28, 2001, 11:31:16 AM EDT
             OK.. but if the cold war is over: - (Ashton) - (42) - July 29, 2001, 05:01:07 PM EDT
                 Re: OK.. but if the cold war is over: - (addison) - (20) - July 29, 2001, 05:09:08 PM EDT
                     Priorities. - (Ashton) - (19) - July 29, 2001, 05:31:13 PM EDT
                         Support Faith Based Missle Defense Systems. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (18) - July 30, 2001, 01:35:05 PM EDT
                             Believe that's called, 'karma'___________________:-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - July 30, 2001, 07:10:25 PM EDT
                             That's what we have now. - (addison) - (16) - July 30, 2001, 07:24:33 PM EDT
                                 Exactly How Hard Do you think it is... - (mmoffitt) - (15) - Aug. 1, 2001, 05:56:18 PM EDT
                                     Thanks, Mike - wouldn't have found that one. LRPD below: - (Ashton) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2001, 06:29:31 PM EDT
                                         Eerier and eerier. LRPD speaks again: - (Ashton) - Aug. 1, 2001, 06:35:05 PM EDT
                                     Only one question - (wharris2) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2001, 07:03:57 PM EDT
                                         Also.. - (Fearless Freep) - Aug. 1, 2001, 09:57:56 PM EDT
                                     Pretty hard. - (addison) - (10) - Aug. 1, 2001, 09:05:18 PM EDT
                                         I more interesting in why this was mentioned after the test. - (Simon_Jester) - (9) - Aug. 2, 2001, 12:07:27 AM EDT
                                             Re: I more interesting in why this was mentioned after the t - (addison) - (8) - Aug. 2, 2001, 12:13:18 AM EDT
                                                 Actually it *IS* the same thing. - (Simon_Jester) - (7) - Aug. 2, 2001, 09:08:50 AM EDT
                                                     What I read... - (admin) - (6) - Aug. 2, 2001, 11:07:09 AM EDT
                                                         Scott, it's certainly possible. - (Simon_Jester) - (5) - Aug. 2, 2001, 01:20:43 PM EDT
                                                             No, it shouldn't. - (addison) - (4) - Aug. 2, 2001, 03:03:16 PM EDT
                                                                 Certainly. - (Simon_Jester) - (3) - Aug. 2, 2001, 03:48:16 PM EDT
                                                                     Pot, Kettle, and Black. - (addison) - (2) - Aug. 2, 2001, 04:48:47 PM EDT
                                                                         Nope. Sorry. Not the same at all. - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Aug. 2, 2001, 07:12:51 PM EDT
                                                                             Fine. -NT - (addison) - Aug. 2, 2001, 07:30:19 PM EDT
                 ok now... - (bepatient) - (20) - July 31, 2001, 08:38:45 AM EDT
                     Full agreement. - (a6l6e6x) - July 31, 2001, 02:27:39 PM EDT
                     Ya got me there, partly. Smartass. - (Ashton) - (18) - Aug. 1, 2001, 02:39:36 AM EDT
                         Re: Ya got me there, partly. Smartass. - (bepatient) - (9) - Aug. 1, 2001, 07:32:36 AM EDT
                             So then: a suitable metric for er - (Ashton) - (8) - Aug. 1, 2001, 06:43:02 PM EDT
                                 I'm not sure what your point is. - (bepatient) - (7) - Aug. 1, 2001, 09:57:49 PM EDT
                                     The need for defense spending will end... - (a6l6e6x) - Aug. 1, 2001, 10:14:20 PM EDT
                                     Cold war 5.0 avge; 2000 3.9 = 20% reduction - (Ashton) - (5) - Aug. 2, 2001, 04:47:48 AM EDT
                                         Avg vs High vs Trend - (bepatient) - (4) - Aug. 2, 2001, 10:14:53 AM EDT
                                             Nice chart. - (Ashton) - (3) - Aug. 2, 2001, 04:37:52 PM EDT
                                                 Well... - (bepatient) - (1) - Aug. 2, 2001, 07:53:08 PM EDT
                                                     These points are of course, debatable. Simply they aren't - (Ashton) - Aug. 3, 2001, 05:16:48 AM EDT
                                                 what price victory or defeat? - (boxley) - Aug. 2, 2001, 08:42:43 PM EDT
                         Not any more - (Fearless Freep) - (5) - Aug. 1, 2001, 03:20:32 PM EDT
                             Hmmm.. then what chimera are we using to replace it? -NT - (Ashton) - (4) - Aug. 1, 2001, 06:49:18 PM EDT
                                 Nothing much - (Fearless Freep) - (3) - Aug. 1, 2001, 06:55:47 PM EDT
                                     That sounds relatively sane. But why so expensive still? - (Ashton) - (2) - Aug. 2, 2001, 04:53:46 AM EDT
                                         Simple, operational deployment costs more.... - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 2, 2001, 11:09:04 AM EDT
                                             LRPD below explains! 'We have a moral imperative.' -NT - (Ashton) - Aug. 2, 2001, 04:39:42 PM EDT
                         Gotta wory 'bout France, ya know... *snicker* -NT - (jb4) - (1) - Aug. 2, 2001, 01:51:26 PM EDT
                             More than you know ;) - (bepatient) - Aug. 2, 2001, 07:45:26 PM EDT

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