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Post #3,081 by Simon_Jester 7/30/01 3:26:54 PM Reply	Question... BTW, the RN has an excellent anti-missile system. (Seawolf?). The write ups on it I've seen all said to the effect of ~"If this were made and sold by the US, it would be standard equipment for every Western country". This anti-missile system, protects the ship, right? Stainless steel traps breed stainless steel rats.
Post #3,088 by addison 7/30/01 3:57:04 PM Reply	Re: Question... Sorry. Its not ballistic missile defense but a localized anti-missile defense. Ship, task force, etc. I think they've also now got a land-based version for base defense (which would be like the Patriot) (Which was cancelled by President Carter because it had the potential to be ABM) (In theory). Addison
Post #3,116 by Simon_Jester 7/30/01 7:01:55 PM Reply	The same Patriot missile system used in Desert Storm? and which also had a success factor of 1% (or something like that)? Stainless steel traps breed stainless steel rats.
Post #3,120 by addison 7/30/01 7:23:35 PM Reply	The very same. But DS wasn't a fair comparison... City defense wasn't what it was built for. So I don't know how effective it was, or would have been. Personally, I thought it was rather ineffective. But its use in DS was political, without regard for its use. (remember, it was designed as anti-aircraft, and is good enough to - sometimes - catch semi-ballistic missiles.) Addison

Shrub is singlehandedly undoing years of foriegn policy work - (inthane-chan) - (67) - July 26, 2001, 12:21:25 AM EDT

just spent a few hours revewing Potsdam - (boxley) - July 26, 2001, 03:03:00 AM EDT

Tom Tomorrow feels our pain - (Ashton) - (6) - July 26, 2001, 08:06:44 AM EDT

sumbitch outa be arrested for spying :) -NT - (boxley) - July 26, 2001, 10:32:41 AM EDT

On global warming - (drewk) - (4) - July 27, 2001, 09:07:33 AM EDT

I'd read that too - (SpiceWare) - (3) - July 27, 2001, 09:19:38 AM EDT

I'm looking for a reference - (drewk) - (2) - July 27, 2001, 09:38:34 AM EDT

Here's a good quote from the report - (drewk) - (1) - July 27, 2001, 09:48:55 AM EDT

There's More - (Steve Lowe) - July 27, 2001, 11:16:41 AM EDT

I dunno - (SpiceWare) - (12) - July 26, 2001, 11:13:46 AM EDT

I could understand it if... - (inthane-chan) - (3) - July 26, 2001, 11:38:13 AM EDT

Not quite - (Fearless Freep) - (2) - July 26, 2001, 11:47:16 AM EDT

In other words... - (jb4) - (1) - July 30, 2001, 09:32:50 AM EDT

Of course - (Fearless Freep) - July 30, 2001, 11:25:07 AM EDT

Exactly why... - (Fearless Freep) - July 26, 2001, 11:44:06 AM EDT

NMD == waste of money. - (pwhysall) - (6) - July 27, 2001, 02:39:21 AM EDT

That and history has shown that defensive arms races - (Simon_Jester) - July 27, 2001, 08:36:08 AM EDT

What would you have said in the 30s? 50s? - (addison) - (4) - July 27, 2001, 10:58:00 AM EDT

Question... - (Simon_Jester) - (3) - July 30, 2001, 03:26:54 PM EDT

Re: Question... - (addison) - (2) - July 30, 2001, 03:57:04 PM EDT

The same Patriot missile system used in Desert Storm? - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - July 30, 2001, 07:01:55 PM EDT

The very same. - (addison) - July 30, 2001, 07:23:35 PM EDT

Interesting points - (Fearless Freep) - July 26, 2001, 11:52:14 AM EDT

Is that bad? - (addison) - July 27, 2001, 11:15:17 AM EDT

Re: Shrub is singlehandedly undoing years of foriegn policy - (bepatient) - (43) - July 28, 2001, 11:31:16 AM EDT

OK.. but if the cold war is over: - (Ashton) - (42) - July 29, 2001, 05:01:07 PM EDT

Re: OK.. but if the cold war is over: - (addison) - (20) - July 29, 2001, 05:09:08 PM EDT

Priorities. - (Ashton) - (19) - July 29, 2001, 05:31:13 PM EDT

Support Faith Based Missle Defense Systems. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (18) - July 30, 2001, 01:35:05 PM EDT

Believe that's called, 'karma'___________________:-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - July 30, 2001, 07:10:25 PM EDT

That's what we have now. - (addison) - (16) - July 30, 2001, 07:24:33 PM EDT

Exactly How Hard Do you think it is... - (mmoffitt) - (15) - Aug. 1, 2001, 05:56:18 PM EDT

Thanks, Mike - wouldn't have found that one. LRPD below: - (Ashton) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2001, 06:29:31 PM EDT

Eerier and eerier. LRPD speaks again: - (Ashton) - Aug. 1, 2001, 06:35:05 PM EDT

Only one question - (wharris2) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2001, 07:03:57 PM EDT

Also.. - (Fearless Freep) - Aug. 1, 2001, 09:57:56 PM EDT

Pretty hard. - (addison) - (10) - Aug. 1, 2001, 09:05:18 PM EDT

I more interesting in why this was mentioned after the test. - (Simon_Jester) - (9) - Aug. 2, 2001, 12:07:27 AM EDT

Re: I more interesting in why this was mentioned after the t - (addison) - (8) - Aug. 2, 2001, 12:13:18 AM EDT

Actually it *IS* the same thing. - (Simon_Jester) - (7) - Aug. 2, 2001, 09:08:50 AM EDT

What I read... - (admin) - (6) - Aug. 2, 2001, 11:07:09 AM EDT

Scott, it's certainly possible. - (Simon_Jester) - (5) - Aug. 2, 2001, 01:20:43 PM EDT

No, it shouldn't. - (addison) - (4) - Aug. 2, 2001, 03:03:16 PM EDT

Certainly. - (Simon_Jester) - (3) - Aug. 2, 2001, 03:48:16 PM EDT

Pot, Kettle, and Black. - (addison) - (2) - Aug. 2, 2001, 04:48:47 PM EDT

Nope. Sorry. Not the same at all. - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Aug. 2, 2001, 07:12:51 PM EDT

Fine. -NT - (addison) - Aug. 2, 2001, 07:30:19 PM EDT

ok now... - (bepatient) - (20) - July 31, 2001, 08:38:45 AM EDT

Full agreement. - (a6l6e6x) - July 31, 2001, 02:27:39 PM EDT

Ya got me there, partly. Smartass. - (Ashton) - (18) - Aug. 1, 2001, 02:39:36 AM EDT

Re: Ya got me there, partly. Smartass. - (bepatient) - (9) - Aug. 1, 2001, 07:32:36 AM EDT

So then: a suitable metric for er - (Ashton) - (8) - Aug. 1, 2001, 06:43:02 PM EDT

I'm not sure what your point is. - (bepatient) - (7) - Aug. 1, 2001, 09:57:49 PM EDT

The need for defense spending will end... - (a6l6e6x) - Aug. 1, 2001, 10:14:20 PM EDT

Cold war 5.0 avge; 2000 3.9 = 20% reduction - (Ashton) - (5) - Aug. 2, 2001, 04:47:48 AM EDT

Avg vs High vs Trend - (bepatient) - (4) - Aug. 2, 2001, 10:14:53 AM EDT

Nice chart. - (Ashton) - (3) - Aug. 2, 2001, 04:37:52 PM EDT

Well... - (bepatient) - (1) - Aug. 2, 2001, 07:53:08 PM EDT

These points are of course, debatable. Simply they aren't - (Ashton) - Aug. 3, 2001, 05:16:48 AM EDT

what price victory or defeat? - (boxley) - Aug. 2, 2001, 08:42:43 PM EDT

Not any more - (Fearless Freep) - (5) - Aug. 1, 2001, 03:20:32 PM EDT

Hmmm.. then what chimera are we using to replace it? -NT - (Ashton) - (4) - Aug. 1, 2001, 06:49:18 PM EDT

Nothing much - (Fearless Freep) - (3) - Aug. 1, 2001, 06:55:47 PM EDT

That sounds relatively sane. But why so expensive still? - (Ashton) - (2) - Aug. 2, 2001, 04:53:46 AM EDT

Simple, operational deployment costs more.... - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 2, 2001, 11:09:04 AM EDT

LRPD below explains! 'We have a moral imperative.' -NT - (Ashton) - Aug. 2, 2001, 04:39:42 PM EDT

Gotta wory 'bout France, ya know... *snicker* -NT - (jb4) - (1) - Aug. 2, 2001, 01:51:26 PM EDT

More than you know ;) - (bepatient) - Aug. 2, 2001, 07:45:26 PM EDT

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