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Post #289,258 by bepatient 7/17/07 3:12:18 PM Reply	Making it "better" tm One, "better" according to whom? And two, base assumption of your statement is that I'm not an advocate of change. I don't like income taxes in current form and support flat tax. Should I assume that the IRS will just giggle and play along when I file according to my >belief< or should I follow the procedures set forth and work through other venues to make my belief the rule? Should I ignore the current process and all the available deductions and loopholes because I don't >like< the system in place? In your view, that would make me "good". In my view, that is simply unwise. Its not an either/or. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #289,259 by mmoffitt 7/17/07 3:24:31 PM Reply	My point is your position == Complicity. And if your values are not exemplified by the status quo, why defend those values? Each of us has "played the game" to some extent. It's just that some of us have a bad taste in our mouths after doing so. And we only do so to the extent necessary and we rarely (if ever) expound upon the virtues of our efforts in playing the game. That's what I take issue with. Your almost knee-jerk reaction to defend any atrocity committed by big bizness with your rationale typically being the insufficient, "I live in the real world." Just by saying that you are not an advocate for change. On the contrary, you are defender of the corporate muck. bcnu, Mikem Microsoft Vista. The best reason ever to buy a Mac.
Post #289,261 by bepatient 7/17/07 3:42:43 PM Reply	Keep jumping...maybe one day your conclusion will be right. The knee-jerking is certainly not mine. Your knee-jerking has me defending insurance companies when I've directly stated they are a problem. You knee-jerked a conversation about Moore being a whiner into defense of the US healthcare industry. The fact that I don't blindly adhere to handing the system over to the government that can't get ANYTHING right somehow makes me a defender of the status quo. Please, tell me what my next position is because you and other seem more than happy to invent them for me. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}

Price of gas up 50 cents today... - (jb4) - (54) - July 10, 2007, 10:35:10 PM EDT

After some thought, I think it ought to be $5.50/gallon. - (mmoffitt) - (53) - July 11, 2007, 07:41:48 AM EDT

you mean like they did with the cigarette tax settlements? - (boxley) - July 11, 2007, 08:17:23 AM EDT

Add treatment of lung related diseases too. - (a6l6e6x) - (46) - July 11, 2007, 09:00:32 AM EDT

Environmental Impact Statements. Great idea! - (mmoffitt) - July 11, 2007, 09:44:10 AM EDT

See above...big tobacco paid for that already :-/ -NT - (bepatient) - (44) - July 11, 2007, 12:08:17 PM EDT

His point stands. - (mmoffitt) - (43) - July 11, 2007, 02:34:57 PM EDT

I understand all that... - (bepatient) - (42) - July 11, 2007, 03:47:15 PM EDT

Well, fixing the systemic problems in your country's - (jake123) - (41) - July 11, 2007, 04:03:33 PM EDT

How so exactly? - (bepatient) - (40) - July 11, 2007, 04:09:15 PM EDT

That when they get an excuse to collect some kind of - (jake123) - (11) - July 12, 2007, 09:19:56 AM EDT

OK..misunderstanding of terms - (bepatient) - (10) - July 12, 2007, 09:26:17 AM EDT

Well, in my mind I'm nailing both - (jake123) - (9) - July 12, 2007, 09:56:28 AM EDT

Partial answer. - (mmoffitt) - (8) - July 12, 2007, 01:14:18 PM EDT

not the right one either. - (bepatient) - (7) - July 12, 2007, 01:24:36 PM EDT

That last statement's problematic - (jake123) - (2) - July 12, 2007, 03:08:36 PM EDT

As you are so fond of noticing - (bepatient) - (1) - July 12, 2007, 04:27:18 PM EDT

It won't take "blowing up everything". - (mmoffitt) - July 13, 2007, 08:07:35 AM EDT

by and large B.S. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 12, 2007, 04:19:41 PM EDT

well I would hardly class those - (bepatient) - July 12, 2007, 04:22:08 PM EDT

You have a nice dentist. - (hnick) - (1) - July 12, 2007, 04:35:14 PM EDT

She's in plan - (bepatient) - July 12, 2007, 04:39:02 PM EDT

Not that I understand *exactly*, in detail, WTF you're on... - (CRConrad) - (27) - July 12, 2007, 07:40:54 PM EDT

We could certainly - (bepatient) - (26) - July 12, 2007, 08:21:27 PM EDT

WTF do fossil fuels and China have to do with anything??? - (CRConrad) - (25) - July 12, 2007, 08:52:08 PM EDT

Why don't you actually read the thread? Or do you enjoy - (bepatient) - (24) - July 12, 2007, 09:04:36 PM EDT

'Left' then responds to 'Right'-eousness-cha-cha-cha - (Ashton) - (23) - July 13, 2007, 05:05:19 PM EDT

Until the rules change to the ones you like - (bepatient) - (22) - July 13, 2007, 10:40:08 PM EDT

That reeks of "Love it or Leave it." - (mmoffitt) - (21) - July 17, 2007, 12:49:48 PM EDT

Not even close - (bepatient) - (10) - July 16, 2007, 11:36:53 AM EDT

Condemning something != Not seeing it. HTH. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (9) - July 16, 2007, 01:03:24 PM EDT

Willful ignorance != Condemnation. HTH -NT - (bepatient) - (8) - July 16, 2007, 01:30:38 PM EDT

Careful with that word "willful". - (mmoffitt) - (7) - July 17, 2007, 12:53:23 PM EDT

You simply don't get it, do you? - (bepatient) - (6) - July 17, 2007, 01:14:11 PM EDT

thats not ignorance - (boxley) - (1) - July 17, 2007, 01:38:19 PM EDT

Possible - (bepatient) - July 17, 2007, 01:54:47 PM EDT

Well, as long as you're not trying to ... - (mmoffitt) - (3) - July 17, 2007, 02:44:11 PM EDT

Making it "better" tm - (bepatient) - (2) - July 17, 2007, 03:12:18 PM EDT

My point is your position == Complicity. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 17, 2007, 03:24:31 PM EDT

Keep jumping...maybe one day your conclusion will be right. - (bepatient) - July 17, 2007, 03:42:43 PM EDT

Not to wreck your ideas of wreaking, but usually it's havoc. - (CRConrad) - (9) - July 17, 2007, 02:58:10 AM EDT

Post of the Day! -NT - (Another Scott) - July 17, 2007, 06:36:40 AM EDT

Damn. I know better than that. Thanks. It did H. -NT - (mmoffitt) - July 17, 2007, 08:21:50 AM EDT

Yep - (bepatient) - (6) - July 17, 2007, 08:51:38 AM EDT

Re: the brimstone, but OT. - (a6l6e6x) - (5) - July 17, 2007, 03:41:47 PM EDT

:-) Fine thanks - (bepatient) - (4) - July 17, 2007, 03:43:33 PM EDT

Yikes. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - July 20, 2007, 02:33:30 PM EDT

All minor - (bepatient) - (2) - July 20, 2007, 02:58:31 PM EDT

Re: part of the fun :-) ??? - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - July 20, 2007, 03:54:58 PM EDT

Just a few blisters - (bepatient) - July 20, 2007, 04:07:04 PM EDT

Dude. Read "The Long Emergency". - (inthane-chan) - (4) - July 11, 2007, 03:10:31 PM EDT

They've got Cliff notes for Idiots Guides?? - (hnick) - (3) - July 11, 2007, 03:19:40 PM EDT

Point being... - (inthane-chan) - (2) - July 11, 2007, 03:29:50 PM EDT

Sure, though I take a yes/no view of it. - (hnick) - (1) - July 11, 2007, 04:13:36 PM EDT

Violent revolution. - (mmoffitt) - July 12, 2007, 07:53:44 AM EDT

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