not the right one either.

Post #288,790 by bepatient 7/12/07 1:24:36 PM Reply	not the right one either. benefits programs by and large are now "self insure" programs for companies...and the providers handle the paperwork. However, doctors have gotten used to (and medicare is a HUGE factor in this) having these providers lowball payments to doctors. So the doctors must hike rates hugely to make their return. Take for example my recent dentist visit. Billed over $200 and she will get $60 for it. Until this process is forced onto people in a very visible manner, it won't change. Making it "government" healthcare won't help...they're as much the problem as any private insurance company. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #288,793 by jake123 7/12/07 3:08:36 PM Reply	That last statement's problematic after all, most of the rest of the west has figured out how to do health insurance by the state without government being as "big a problem as the rest of the industry." Simply put, the scientific method would seem to indicate that the last statement is just wrong.
Post #288,796 by bepatient 7/12/07 4:27:18 PM Reply	As you are so fond of noticing we are not the rest of the west. And there is large scale debate as to who has "figured out" what in this. We still import alot of medical procedures. The issue in our system, and the >current< government system that we have is that its simply a shell game. Dr's charge one amount, medicare pays something else, hmos something else...and the patient generally sees nothing of this. I would bet that less than 1% of insured people in this country know what the dr actually receives in payment for services rendered. In fact, I'd be comfortable making that number .1%. Whats to complain about if you don't know. To fix what we have here will require blowing up everything and starting over..and I dont find that likely at all, unfortunately. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #288,839 by mmoffitt 7/13/07 8:07:35 AM Reply	It won't take "blowing up everything". It might take violent revolution. But, there are less bloody solutions. They require that money != speech, elimination of lobbying, and an elimination of private insurance. It's not just healthcare that private insurance screws up. Everything from healthcare to home ownership to driving an auto to flying a plane is unnecessarily burdened with greedy mf'ing corporate insurance slime demanding (through their government - aka the fed and state govt's) that we line their pockets. Seriously, dude. In healthcare, private admin costs ranged from 18%-20% or more while the fed did the exact same function for 10%. 8-10% savings right off the bat for just letting the fed process claims is a HUGE amount of money. Not to mention the lack of profit incentive if it's all done through public works. With apologies, "The first thing we do, let's kill all the insurance companies." bcnu, Mikem Microsoft Vista. The best reason ever to buy a Mac.
Post #288,794 by mmoffitt 7/12/07 4:19:41 PM Reply	by and large B.S. By and large LARGE companies self-fund. A single employee with a health problem would wipe out a small firm trying to self-fund. Nice try. bcnu, Mikem Microsoft Vista. The best reason ever to buy a Mac.
Post #288,795 by bepatient 7/12/07 4:22:08 PM Reply	well I would hardly class those with your post saying that it was the big wigs of the big companies buying what they want and giving themselves bonuses to cover. Stay on target, Red V. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #288,800 by hnick 7/12/07 4:35:14 PM Reply	You have a nice dentist. I've been going to the same dentist for 20 some years after going to a few that could have found work in "A little shop of horrors". He's not on the insurance plan that my company has. This means that when he charges $300 and the insurance company pays $60, I pay the $240. I guess it's in my best interest to keep my fangs in shape :-/
Post #288,801 by bepatient 7/12/07 4:39:02 PM Reply	She's in plan and she is a nice lady. I do have some 80/20 stuff where I have to pay too. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}

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