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Post #288,716
by inthane-chan
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7/11/07 3:29:50 PM
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New Point being...
...alternative energy sources are not going to save our collective asses. We're looking down the barrel of a howitzer, and the guy on the other end has a itchy trigger finger. Our agricultural "miracle" is dependent on cheap oil, our economy is based on cheap oil, the global market is based on cheap oil - and when that runs out, there's pretty much nothing we can do about it. Even the biomass processors depend on oil-based agriculture to provide enough waste input to recover some of the energy that is used in producing the main product.

It's one hell of a depressing book.
Odoru aho ni miru aho!
Onaji aho nara odoranya son son!
Post #288,720
by hnick
7/11/07 4:13:36 PM
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New Sure, though I take a yes/no view of it.
The alternative energy sources now being touted are based on previous economy. They drag along all the existing problems while only putting off the imminent crisis.

If our society is to survive, it will have to change. There is where the fun part hangs out. Will it take a violent revolution or can we change to a more reasonable system that will let us carry on for a while longer? Damnifiknow. As a society, we are becoming a LOT more dumbed down, and we may be losing the capacity to react in society's best interest. In which case, as you say, we're fucked. On the other paw, if we still have some real leadership and working brains still allowed to function, we might pull it off.

We can always die. Individually or as a society. I haven't lost yet, betting that I'm going to survive until tomorrow... YMMV
Post #288,749
by mmoffitt
7/12/07 7:53:44 AM
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New Violent revolution.
The 21st century is the century of the vindication of Marxist doctrine, dontchaknow. ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem

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     Price of gas up 50 cents today... - (jb4) - (54) - July 10, 2007, 10:35:10 PM EDT
         After some thought, I think it ought to be $5.50/gallon. - (mmoffitt) - (53) - July 11, 2007, 07:41:48 AM EDT
             you mean like they did with the cigarette tax settlements? - (boxley) - July 11, 2007, 08:17:23 AM EDT
             Add treatment of lung related diseases too. - (a6l6e6x) - (46) - July 11, 2007, 09:00:32 AM EDT
                 Environmental Impact Statements. Great idea! - (mmoffitt) - July 11, 2007, 09:44:10 AM EDT
                 See above...big tobacco paid for that already :-/ -NT - (bepatient) - (44) - July 11, 2007, 12:08:17 PM EDT
                     His point stands. - (mmoffitt) - (43) - July 11, 2007, 02:34:57 PM EDT
                         I understand all that... - (bepatient) - (42) - July 11, 2007, 03:47:15 PM EDT
                             Well, fixing the systemic problems in your country's - (jake123) - (41) - July 11, 2007, 04:03:33 PM EDT
                                 How so exactly? - (bepatient) - (40) - July 11, 2007, 04:09:15 PM EDT
                                     That when they get an excuse to collect some kind of - (jake123) - (11) - July 12, 2007, 09:19:56 AM EDT
                                         OK..misunderstanding of terms - (bepatient) - (10) - July 12, 2007, 09:26:17 AM EDT
                                             Well, in my mind I'm nailing both - (jake123) - (9) - July 12, 2007, 09:56:28 AM EDT
                                                 Partial answer. - (mmoffitt) - (8) - July 12, 2007, 01:14:18 PM EDT
                                                     not the right one either. - (bepatient) - (7) - July 12, 2007, 01:24:36 PM EDT
                                                         That last statement's problematic - (jake123) - (2) - July 12, 2007, 03:08:36 PM EDT
                                                             As you are so fond of noticing - (bepatient) - (1) - July 12, 2007, 04:27:18 PM EDT
                                                                 It won't take "blowing up everything". - (mmoffitt) - July 13, 2007, 08:07:35 AM EDT
                                                         by and large B.S. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 12, 2007, 04:19:41 PM EDT
                                                             well I would hardly class those - (bepatient) - July 12, 2007, 04:22:08 PM EDT
                                                         You have a nice dentist. - (hnick) - (1) - July 12, 2007, 04:35:14 PM EDT
                                                             She's in plan - (bepatient) - July 12, 2007, 04:39:02 PM EDT
                                     Not that I understand *exactly*, in detail, WTF you're on... - (CRConrad) - (27) - July 12, 2007, 07:40:54 PM EDT
                                         We could certainly - (bepatient) - (26) - July 12, 2007, 08:21:27 PM EDT
                                             WTF do fossil fuels and China have to do with anything??? - (CRConrad) - (25) - July 12, 2007, 08:52:08 PM EDT
                                                 Why don't you actually read the thread? Or do you enjoy - (bepatient) - (24) - July 12, 2007, 09:04:36 PM EDT
                                                     'Left' then responds to 'Right'-eousness-cha-cha-cha - (Ashton) - (23) - July 13, 2007, 05:05:19 PM EDT
                                                         Until the rules change to the ones you like - (bepatient) - (22) - July 13, 2007, 10:40:08 PM EDT
                                                             That reeks of "Love it or Leave it." - (mmoffitt) - (21) - July 17, 2007, 12:49:48 PM EDT
                                                                 Not even close - (bepatient) - (10) - July 16, 2007, 11:36:53 AM EDT
                                                                     Condemning something != Not seeing it. HTH. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (9) - July 16, 2007, 01:03:24 PM EDT
                                                                         Willful ignorance != Condemnation. HTH -NT - (bepatient) - (8) - July 16, 2007, 01:30:38 PM EDT
                                                                             Careful with that word "willful". - (mmoffitt) - (7) - July 17, 2007, 12:53:23 PM EDT
                                                                                 You simply don't get it, do you? - (bepatient) - (6) - July 17, 2007, 01:14:11 PM EDT
                                                                                     thats not ignorance - (boxley) - (1) - July 17, 2007, 01:38:19 PM EDT
                                                                                         Possible - (bepatient) - July 17, 2007, 01:54:47 PM EDT
                                                                                     Well, as long as you're not trying to ... - (mmoffitt) - (3) - July 17, 2007, 02:44:11 PM EDT
                                                                                         Making it "better" tm - (bepatient) - (2) - July 17, 2007, 03:12:18 PM EDT
                                                                                             My point is your position == Complicity. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 17, 2007, 03:24:31 PM EDT
                                                                                                 Keep jumping...maybe one day your conclusion will be right. - (bepatient) - July 17, 2007, 03:42:43 PM EDT
                                                                 Not to wreck your ideas of wreaking, but usually it's havoc. - (CRConrad) - (9) - July 17, 2007, 02:58:10 AM EDT
                                                                     Post of the Day! -NT - (Another Scott) - July 17, 2007, 06:36:40 AM EDT
                                                                     Damn. I know better than that. Thanks. It did H. -NT - (mmoffitt) - July 17, 2007, 08:21:50 AM EDT
                                                                     Yep - (bepatient) - (6) - July 17, 2007, 08:51:38 AM EDT
                                                                         Re: the brimstone, but OT. - (a6l6e6x) - (5) - July 17, 2007, 03:41:47 PM EDT
                                                                             :-) Fine thanks - (bepatient) - (4) - July 17, 2007, 03:43:33 PM EDT
                                                                                 Yikes. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - July 20, 2007, 02:33:30 PM EDT
                                                                                     All minor - (bepatient) - (2) - July 20, 2007, 02:58:31 PM EDT
                                                                                         Re: part of the fun :-) ??? - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - July 20, 2007, 03:54:58 PM EDT
                                                                                             Just a few blisters - (bepatient) - July 20, 2007, 04:07:04 PM EDT
             Dude. Read "The Long Emergency". - (inthane-chan) - (4) - July 11, 2007, 03:10:31 PM EDT
                 They've got Cliff notes for Idiots Guides?? - (hnick) - (3) - July 11, 2007, 03:19:40 PM EDT
                     Point being... - (inthane-chan) - (2) - July 11, 2007, 03:29:50 PM EDT
                         Sure, though I take a yes/no view of it. - (hnick) - (1) - July 11, 2007, 04:13:36 PM EDT
                             Violent revolution. - (mmoffitt) - July 12, 2007, 07:53:44 AM EDT

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