the inteligence estimates need to be publicised

Post #285,802 by boxley 5/30/07 10:00:13 AM Reply	the inteligence estimates need to be publicised the intel committee was given in depth intel. Clinton for example admits she had never read them. Until those are published we dont really know what was with held from congress do we? I imagine it was close to what was in the presidents daily briefing. If it was, the people who prepared them should be punished, not the receiptiants thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #285,877 by Seamus 5/30/07 5:45:49 PM Reply	There is a lot to the intelligence side than just the PDB But, sticking with the daily briefs, the people preparing the briefs are not the ones to go after it is the one(s) who set up the alternative intelligence gathering and analysis units that provided the intelligence used in the PDB. Cheney certainly had his hand in this. Seamus
Post #285,879 by boxley 5/30/07 5:56:40 PM Reply	absolutely, you just pointed out the problem cheney not bush set up all of that and he is impeachable for that if found to deliberately mislead the commander in chief. Bush cannot be got at that way. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #285,889 by Seamus 5/30/07 6:58:29 PM Reply	Yes he can As president he is ultimately responsible for not only letting it happen, but actively using it to forward his agenda. Seamus
Post #285,892 by boxley 5/30/07 7:14:44 PM Reply	not without evidence you cant Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #285,895 by Seamus 5/30/07 7:52:12 PM Reply	This is the crux of the matter You are looking for beyond a reasonable doubt proof of specific actions. The Bush administration has governed in such a way as to keep as little evidence of the actual decisions made as possible Their goal is not to be accountable to Congress. If you govern that way and screw up this bad, you deserve to be impeached. It is also a betrayal of trust, which the historical precedent shows that betrayal of trust is an impeachable offense. If he is not impeached, why wouldn't future presidents follow this president's lead and actively avoid congressional oversight? Two points emerge from the 400 years of English parliamentary experience with the phrase "high Crimea and Misdemeanors." First, the particular allegations of misconduct alleged damage to the state in such forms as misapplication of funds, abuse of official power, neglect of duty, encroachment on Parliament's prerogatives, corruption, and betrayal of trust. Second, the phrase "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" was confined to parliamentary impeachments; it had no roots in the ordinary criminal law, and the particular allegations of misconduct under that heading were not necessarily limited to common law or statutory derelictions or crimes. [link\|http://www.cftech.com/BrainBank/SPECIALREPORTS/impeachment.html\|Link] Seamus
Post #285,898 by boxley 5/30/07 8:04:34 PM Reply	I would expect future presidents to actively avoid congressional oversight, its the nature of the position. Just like reagan ignored congress meddling in his foreign affairs found a way to get money to the contras. An executive who is the rolling buttplug for congress is useless in my opinion. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #285,909 by inthane-chan 5/30/07 11:09:30 PM Reply	And vis a vis a Congress that is a rubber stamp for... ...the Imperial President is worthless as well. Odoru aho ni miru aho! Onaji aho nara odoranya son son!
Post #285,931 by boxley 5/31/07 9:29:05 AM Reply	yup, strong beleiver in tight gridlock Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]

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