Has anyone else in the US government ever done that?

Post #285,986 by Another Scott 5/31/07 8:42:23 PM Reply	Has anyone else in the US government ever done that? I'm not aware of an example. Isn't it better for someone to come forward and tell the truth about their illegal activities, and what they know about the illegal activities of others, than to do what, say, Scooter Libby did? I think it's much better to come clean in sworn testimony, even if it's late. I also think his obligation to the country was much greater than to his former colleagues. Cheers, Scott. (Who notices that Amazon's "Surprise Me" excerpt of Libby's novel [link\|http://www.amazon.com/Apprentice-Novel-Lewis-Libby/dp/0312284535/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product/002-5664532-8022445\|The Apprentice] has some weird discussion among hunters about having their way with a deer...)
Post #285,987 by boxley 5/31/07 8:54:41 PM Reply	scooter did the right thing so did Liddy, they have the courage of their convictions, even if they are wrong. Either one has priciples and stands on them or one does not. Dean clearly does not stand for anything except what is good for dean. Dean did not "come forward" he was hoisted squealing like a pig after being caught. Come forward it aint. I guess I am of a different era. You beleive what you are doing is right and stck by it. The vagaries of circumstance really shouldnt determine morals practiced. thanx. bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #285,996 by Another Scott 5/31/07 9:35:44 PM Reply	Scooter lied to FBI, obstructed justice, comitted perjury. Somehow I thought that if someone was held up as an example of standing up for the "courage of their convictions", then they should also accept the consequences. [link\|http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/files/52507_fitzgerald_sentencing_memorandum.pdf\|Libby's a whining liar]. Dean [link\|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2002/05/31/AR2005112200792.html\|talked to the Senate investigators] before he was granted immunity. He understood that Nixon was damaging the country and he stood up and took the heat for testifying against a pretty [link\|http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/13/cq/poll.html\|popular president]. He served time. For someone who's so idealistic about so many things, I'm surprised that you think that Libby's somehow honorable. It seems to me that our system of government and our judicial system *cannot* work if people lie under oath and obstruct justice. But different strokes, I guess. Cheers, Scott. ("But what about Clinton?" That's a different thread...)
Post #286,024 by CRConrad 6/1/07 9:34:25 AM Reply	"The courage of their convictions, even if they are wrong"? That's what makes Scooter "Perjury" Libby and G. Gordon "Zippo" Liddy good guys, in your eyes??? Wow. That's just, um... Wow. (To [probably] misquote an LRPDism.) You DO realise, of course, that that also makes Adolf a good guy, according to you? (Along with every single one of his SS henchmen -- the more unrepentant of their crimes against humanity they were, the more "good guys" they were, in your reasoning.) Are you beginning to see why I've been calling you "scary" a few times, recently? Maybe you think I was kidding. If so, you are mistaken: I was not. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah]
Post #286,030 by boxley 6/1/07 10:50:58 AM Reply	principled!=good in any case We were talking about criminal elements in government that broke many laws excluding murder. Different class than the crowd you are describing. Gleefully carrying out burglaries, paying off henchmen and then ratting out your fellow crooks makes that person a lesser being than those who gleefully carried out burglaries, henched then did their time with a no comment. Why are you scared? I cant afford to fly to DC much less finland :-) thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #286,088 by CRConrad 6/2/07 7:33:48 PM Reply	Because you, and people like you, get to vote over there. Actually, I've been scared of where the fuck you guys -- Americans, the ones who vote on who gets to be the most powerful man not only in America but the WORLD, with his finger hovering over The Button -- are taking us all ever since 2004. "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice...", and all that. You (all) voted in the Chimp-in-Chief again. How the fuck could anybody sane NOT be scared of you? [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah]
Post #286,090 by Andrew Grygus 6/2/07 7:48:18 PM Reply	Given that the Ohio elections were probably rigged . . . . . by Dibold, we probably didn't actually elect him for the second term, and with the Florida fiasco we may not have actually elected him to the first term either. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #286,091 by CRConrad 6/2/07 8:27:54 PM Reply	Sorry, not good enough; shouldn't have been even close. The fact that he got more than, say, ten percent, the second time around, that alone means that something's wrong as Hell over there. Heck, the fact that he even got the nomination already does. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah]
Post #286,099 by boxley 6/3/07 10:28:23 AM Reply	yer saying it was better in the old days? only white property owners could vote senators were appointed by governors president was appointed by the electoral college which was run by the state legislators I'll bring it up during the next MLK rally and see how it flies. By the way, how come mr KGB Putin got re-elected? Case of pot and kettle etc. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #286,104 by CRConrad 6/3/07 11:21:10 AM Reply	WTF are you gibbering about? Yes, of course it was! In... ...the "good old days" under, say, Clinton -- he only screwed an intern; he did not fuck the Constitution up the ass with a chainsaw. Now cut it out with the stupid strawmen, willya, before everybody thinks you ARE as stupid as you're trying to sound here. Thank you. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah]
Post #286,112 by boxley 6/3/07 1:29:28 PM Reply	clinton didnt trample the WHAT! of course he did although not the shattering the current crew is doing. Makes me glad you lot cant vote here, thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #286,136 by CRConrad 6/3/07 4:45:37 PM Reply	OK, so read it as "Clinton didn't shatter it" in stead. Still makes it the good old days, compared to the total ass-reaming the current crew is giving it. WTF is wrong with you, that you insist on pretending this huge difference is as nothing?!? You might be glad, but that is precisely what has me so scared: That you, OTOH, are allowed to vote over there. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah]

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