And youses can *almost* articulate the benefits

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by tablizer

1/27/02 4:10:45 PM

And youses can *almost* articulate the benefits

>> He almost gets it, Arkadiy... <<

The only thing solid you have come up with is that some OOP langs can protect against the wrong ID (handle) being used on the wrong entity/object/gerbal/thingy. There are ways to do such without OOP if it was really a signficant issue.

Is that the best you can do? It does not extrapolate into the "dynamically typed" OOP langs. Does that mean we should toss those? Jay is gonna be sad.

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PHP quibbles. - (static) - (77) - Dec. 15, 2001, 02:00:52 AM EST

And the documentation is worse - (drewk) - (74) - Dec. 17, 2001, 02:04:20 PM EST

That's a wierd one. - (static) - (73) - Dec. 18, 2001, 05:31:51 AM EST

Empty(OOP) - (tablizer) - (72) - Dec. 28, 2001, 12:43:59 AM EST

Classes in PHP. - (static) - (71) - Dec. 29, 2001, 11:18:31 PM EST

Feathering my Ruffles? - (tablizer) - (70) - Dec. 31, 2001, 01:20:58 AM EST

Do you really want to know? :-) - (static) - (69) - Dec. 31, 2001, 07:41:39 AM EST

Same thing in phpIWT - (admin) - (2) - Dec. 31, 2001, 09:40:42 AM EST

References? - (static) - (1) - Jan. 1, 2002, 07:57:54 PM EST

The issue... - (admin) - Jan. 1, 2002, 08:35:33 PM EST

why subclass? - (tablizer) - (63) - Dec. 31, 2001, 10:38:54 PM EST

If you won't get it, please say so. - (static) - (62) - Jan. 1, 2002, 07:43:27 PM EST

I *never* "got" classes. You know that. - (tablizer) - (61) - Jan. 3, 2002, 01:08:51 AM EST

Well, with that out of the way... - (static) - (58) - Jan. 3, 2002, 06:37:47 PM EST

apples to oranges - (tablizer) - (57) - Jan. 11, 2002, 12:40:44 AM EST

I'm sorry? - (static) - (56) - Jan. 11, 2002, 05:42:43 AM EST

I don't believe you - (tablizer) - (53) - Jan. 12, 2002, 04:35:39 PM EST

"and that is why you fail". - (static) - (52) - Jan. 13, 2002, 04:50:24 AM EST

Looks syntax-heavy to me - (tablizer) - (51) - Jan. 13, 2002, 09:07:53 PM EST

I really wonder why I'm doing this. - (static) - (50) - Jan. 13, 2002, 10:16:58 PM EST

no gap - (tablizer) - (49) - Jan. 15, 2002, 08:43:30 PM EST

Yes, there is a gap. - (static) - (1) - Jan. 16, 2002, 04:48:47 AM EST

not just a "mere add-on" - (tablizer) - Jan. 18, 2002, 02:13:21 AM EST

I think I see what's going on... - (Arkadiy) - (46) - Jan. 16, 2002, 02:08:06 PM EST

handles == pointers or ID's to bigger things - (tablizer) - (45) - Jan. 18, 2002, 02:21:47 AM EST

Looks like we're in agreement. -NT - (Arkadiy) - (44) - Jan. 18, 2002, 07:50:51 PM EST

So "OOP is of little or no use for custom biz apps" - (tablizer) - (43) - Jan. 18, 2002, 11:21:01 PM EST

No, that part is incorrect. - (static) - (16) - Jan. 19, 2002, 05:20:54 AM EST

re: compile-time protection - (tablizer) - (3) - Jan. 19, 2002, 02:10:22 PM EST

Go away, Bryce. - (static) - (2) - Jan. 20, 2002, 04:34:38 AM EST

Okay, but first I have to get the last word in - (tablizer) - (1) - Jan. 21, 2002, 11:25:24 PM EST

Oh my... - (folkert) - Jan. 21, 2002, 11:35:52 PM EST

The king of OOP is typeless - (Arkadiy) - (11) - Jan. 22, 2002, 07:24:45 PM EST

I agree with your premise, but.... - (tablizer) - (10) - Jan. 24, 2002, 12:49:40 PM EST

People's brains are different indeed - (Arkadiy) - (9) - Jan. 25, 2002, 06:17:30 PM EST

head survey? - (tablizer) - (8) - Jan. 26, 2002, 02:45:22 PM EST

Re: head survey? - (wharris2) - (1) - Jan. 26, 2002, 09:15:26 PM EST

Is that why she walks funny? :-) -NT - (tablizer) - Jan. 27, 2002, 12:03:16 AM EST

Here's an idea for you. - (static) - (1) - Jan. 27, 2002, 12:27:18 AM EST

how != why - (tablizer) - Jan. 27, 2002, 03:49:17 PM EST

Getting inside your head... - (Arkadiy) - (3) - Jan. 28, 2002, 06:27:13 PM EST

Maybe in a new thread though... ;-) -NT - (admin) - Jan. 28, 2002, 07:51:03 PM EST

(I moved discussion to Flame Quarantine area) -NT - (tablizer) - (1) - Jan. 28, 2002, 09:16:43 PM EST

Not necessary... - (admin) - Jan. 28, 2002, 09:33:25 PM EST

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH - (folkert) - (19) - Jan. 19, 2002, 11:11:32 AM EST

answers: no, 3, whatever, chicken! -NT - (tablizer) - (18) - Jan. 19, 2002, 02:55:43 PM EST

You missed the meaning again... Same as always... - (folkert) - (17) - Jan. 19, 2002, 10:32:02 PM EST

I prefer readable scripting languages -NT - (tablizer) - (16) - Jan. 21, 2002, 11:15:21 PM EST

Then you cannot know... - (folkert) - (15) - Jan. 21, 2002, 11:32:08 PM EST

Give me tools that fit the way I think and I can..... - (tablizer) - (14) - Jan. 24, 2002, 01:09:18 PM EST

Heh! Certainly one possibility... - (hnick) - (2) - Jan. 25, 2002, 07:55:18 AM EST

jack of all trades, master of none - (tablizer) - (1) - Jan. 25, 2002, 04:01:07 PM EST

That would be me, kinda sorta... - (hnick) - Jan. 26, 2002, 12:24:15 AM EST

There are NO tools that can make a 3-yo moron a watchmaker. - (CRConrad) - (3) - Jan. 25, 2002, 09:20:59 AM EST

My apps can kick your apps butt, neener neener -NT - (tablizer) - Jan. 25, 2002, 04:15:50 PM EST

OUCH... No recovery Possible Bryce.... -NT - (folkert) - Jan. 27, 2002, 04:33:59 PM EST

Ive cut my trees ate my lunch now where is the newspaper? -NT - (boxley) - Oct. 31, 2002, 08:10:13 PM EST

ask and you shall receive - (boxley) - (6) - Jan. 25, 2002, 09:25:44 AM EST

Seems a little weak in the relational department - (tablizer) - (5) - Jan. 25, 2002, 04:12:32 PM EST

Too bad, ya gotta stick with Xbase only. - (CRConrad) - (4) - Jan. 27, 2002, 09:48:51 AM EST

Laf, hardly. - (admin) - (2) - Jan. 27, 2002, 10:10:50 AM EST

tells u what the 2 richest men in the world think of OO ;-) -NT - (tablizer) - Jan. 27, 2002, 10:06:49 PM EST

Yeah, but Sssshhhh! - (CRConrad) - Nov. 1, 2002, 04:22:15 AM EST

what hazn't? - (tablizer) - Jan. 27, 2002, 03:57:48 PM EST

OOP is no use for relatively small apps. - (Arkadiy) - (5) - Jan. 22, 2002, 07:21:26 PM EST

on scalability - (tablizer) - (4) - Jan. 24, 2002, 01:03:36 PM EST

Thingy - (Arkadiy) - (3) - Jan. 25, 2002, 05:45:04 PM EST

All Your Nouns Are Belong To Us - (tablizer) - Jan. 26, 2002, 02:55:23 PM EST

How very interesting. - (static) - (1) - Jan. 27, 2002, 12:28:52 AM EST

And youses can *almost* articulate the benefits - (tablizer) - Jan. 27, 2002, 04:10:45 PM EST

You can't reason with many people about many things. -NT - (wharris2) - (1) - Jan. 12, 2002, 06:13:59 PM EST

the p/r api's are either fixable or not - (tablizer) - Jan. 13, 2002, 12:55:19 AM EST

Then why the HECK did you even ask, you UTTER moron?!? -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - Jan. 4, 2002, 09:50:28 AM EST

Ah well, Bryce is programming without class - (nking) - Jan. 4, 2002, 02:02:48 PM EST

I noticed that, too - (drewk) - (1) - Jan. 2, 2002, 05:47:22 PM EST

Actually, it sort of works. - (static) - Jan. 2, 2002, 06:25:32 PM EST

Program you way around it - (nking) - (1) - Dec. 17, 2001, 09:51:22 PM EST

PHP doesn't really have that problem. - (static) - Dec. 18, 2001, 05:41:07 AM EST

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