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New Enough with the lemons, you two.
I have some anecdotes about AOL that you have both managed to overlook.
  1. When AOL opened in Australia[1] it found itself in a generally high-quality market and had to pull its socks up quite a bit before it began to acquire a decent amount of market share

  2. Yes, the AOL client has a history of stomping all over the network stack and not playing nice with other semi-proprietary dial-up clients. However, I do recall a few comments over the years from various US mags[2] about how over time the AOL client became nicer. ISTR that there was a major improvement in that arena with a major version change and a lot of problems along the lines of "it wrecked my dial-up with such-and-such!" were met with "upgrade to the newer AOL client".

  3. I have spoken to a local AOL support tech on behalf of an (ex-)emploter's client. The question I had was reasonably technical and was to do with FTP running under AOL. The guy who answered knew exactly what I was talking about - including the right answer.

  4. And lastly, surely you both know that Microsoft has successfully taught tens of millions of consumers that computers are non-deterministic and often unreliable? This would be why, if AOL is as shitty as people say it is, many subscribers simply put up with it.

Wade.

[1] No, they aren't "Australia On-Line", and nor are they (confusingly) "America On-Line". They are just "AOL".

[2] e.g. Byte.

"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"

New We also forgot
the many class action lawsuits against AOL becase the software wrecked the OS ability to use other Internet services.

Lemons, make lemonaid. :)

"Will code Visual BASIC for cash."
New One more lemon
Doesn't each new version (at least the last several) have extensive histories of messing up the previous version's installation?
"Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it."
-- Donald Knuth
     LA Times: AOL Negotiating to Buy RED HAT! - (Andrew Grygus) - (100)
         Nooo! Nooo! Nyet! Nine! Narf! Nunka! - (nking) - (49)
             Two things . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (47)
                 Oh like it helped Netscape, ICQ? - (nking) - (44)
                     Misconception . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (8)
                         That wasn't what I said - (nking) - (7)
                             Counter platform? - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                                 Counter Counter Platform - (nking) - (4)
                                     Continued, Post-Monster Kids - (nking) - (2)
                                         OT: 5 hrs. at the mall Norm? Sheeesh! -NT - (jb4) - (1)
                                             Nope, 15 minutes at the mall, 4 hours at Grandma's house - (nking)
                                     Errrr . . Norm? - (Andrew Grygus)
                             Netscape and Mozilla - (Andrew Grygus)
                     Eh? - (pwhysall) - (34)
                         AOL whoas - (nking) - (33)
                             Re: AOL whoas - (pwhysall) - (32)
                                 if I had my choice between using AOL or not having Net - (nking) - (1)
                                     More about AOL - (nking)
                                 Excuse me...? - (jb4) - (29)
                                     Crap? - (pwhysall) - (28)
                                         Then stop genuflecting there... - (jb4) - (7)
                                             /me slaps jb4 about with a large trout - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                                 is that a seagoing, fresh water or racerack trout? me dux -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                     Given my history in the '70s... - (jb4)
                                                 /me slaps the Shill about with a large Cod - (jb4)
                                             Occham was all marketing... - (mhuber) - (2)
                                                 A more complex hypothesis - (nking)
                                                 ______________________S _Shhhhhhhh you fool.. - (Ashton)
                                         I've already proven that AOL is crap - (nking) - (19)
                                             You've done no such thing. - (bepatient) - (18)
                                                 Sure, I am not alone - (nking) - (17)
                                                     Why AOL Don't Suck - (pwhysall) - (16)
                                                         AOL does suck, McDonald's syndrome - (nking) - (13)
                                                             I see we are at that point... - (pwhysall) - (11)
                                                                 I'll repeat myself again - (nking) - (9)
                                                                     Why bother... - (bepatient) - (8)
                                                                         Oh really? - (nking) - (7)
                                                                             AOL keeps changing - (drewk)
                                                                             Really - (bepatient) - (5)
                                                                                 What can AOL provide that you cannot find on the Net - (nking) - (4)
                                                                                     Don't be sorry... - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                                         whether you like it or not - (nking)
                                                                                     Re: What can AOL provide that you cannot find on the Net - (wharris2) - (1)
                                                                                         Oh really? Mark Two. - (nking)
                                                                 Peter, I see a quite larger reason to work against AOL - (Ashton)
                                                             Hey! Watchit! Leave the Cubbies outta this! ;-) -NT - (jb4)
                                                         By that...er, "logic"... - (jb4) - (1)
                                                             Re: By that...er, "logic"... - (pwhysall)
                 Monopolizing all electronic delivery on the net. - (Ashton) - (1)
                     The Reg wears differently-colored glasses - (Ashton)
             Actually, it might be better turned around the other way. - (static)
         Re: LA Times: AOL Negotiating to Buy RED HAT! - (a6l6e6x)
         Rumors anyway, anything proven? - (nking) - (1)
             Robert Young: "No Comment". - (Andrew Grygus)
         Re: Register speaks .... - (dmarker2) - (37)
             I don't get it. - (bepatient) - (36)
                 Re: You could well be right. - (dmarker2) - (35)
                     What happens after the AOl buyout - (nking)
                     Look at Mozilla - (Andrew Grygus) - (33)
                         This is my point. - (bepatient) - (32)
                             Not so - (nking) - (9)
                                 Re: Not so - (pwhysall) - (8)
                                     AOL trouble - (nking) - (3)
                                         Enough with the lemons, you two. - (static) - (2)
                                             We also forgot - (nking)
                                             One more lemon - (wharris2)
                                     AOL client has killed VPNs I've worked with before. - (imric) - (1)
                                         Thanks for your support - (nking)
                                     AOL has their own winsock that is incompatible with other - (boxley) - (1)
                                         AOL mucking up the OS - (nking)
                             BeeP, please see my post above - (Ashton) - (21)
                                 Sure... - (bepatient) - (20)
                                     Yes.. all true-ish. Sorta. - (Ashton) - (19)
                                         You seem to have a decidedly US-centric view... - (bepatient) - (18)
                                             You are making the distinction correctly - (Ashton) - (17)
                                                 Still... - (bepatient) - (13)
                                                     Censorship and freedom of speech - (nking) - (12)
                                                         AOL is under no obligation... - (bepatient) - (11)
                                                             So they can violate the rights of US citizens - (nking) - (10)
                                                                 They're not, though. - (pwhysall) - (9)
                                                                     That is like saying - (nking) - (8)
                                                                         Doh! back atcha Norm. - (Silverlock) - (5)
                                                                             Customers and users still have rights - (nking) - (4)
                                                                                 Wow...there are some good ones there... - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                                                     You may have a point - (nking) - (2)
                                                                                         Think. - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                                             Think again - (nking)
                                                                         Getting a little off base, aren't we? - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                                                             Thanks AG...saved me some typing. -NT - (bepatient)
                                                 Hmm, what about this - (drewk) - (2)
                                                     Nothing can legally be done 'to' AOL, - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                         Of course it cannot - (nking)
         But what about SuSE? - (jb4)
         The Marti hypothesis - (kmself)
         In other words.... - (tjsinclair)
         CNET: No they ain't! - (Steve Lowe) - (1)
             it just figures - (nking)
         User Friendly predicts the AOL/Red Hat results: - (Ashton) - (1)
             About right! :) - (nking)
         LRPD goes to the bottom of the rumours: - (CRConrad) - (1)
             Words of wisdom - (nking)

I slipped him a fin... on porpoise. I was feeling good. I even dropped a sanddollar in the box for Jerry's squids, for the halibut.
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