Post #234,742
11/17/05 4:24:28 PM
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But you knew that decaf stuff will kill you too, right?
[link|http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3035336|American Heart Association] (via /.): DALLAS, Nov. 16 \ufffd Decaffeinated \ufffd not caffeinated \ufffd coffee may cause an increase in harmful LDL cholesterol by increasing a specific type of blood fat linked to the metabolic syndrome, hints a new study presented at the American Heart Association\ufffds Scientific Sessions 2005.
The Coffee and Lipoprotein Metabolism (CALM) study included 187 people, randomized to three groups: one that drank three to six cups of caffeinated coffee a day; another that drank three to six cups of decaffeinated coffee a day; and a third, the control group, that drank no coffee.
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Researchers measured the level of caffeine in the blood of the participants, as well as levels of the key heart-health indicators before and after the three-month study.
They sought to clearly demonstrate the effects of caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee consumption on key indicators of the metabolic syndrome, which is the umbrella term for a cluster of several harmful heart disease risk factors. Researchers looked at blood pressure, heart rate, BMI, total cholesterol, triglycerides, HDL (good cholesterol) levels of insulin, glucose, non-esterified fatty acids (NEFA \ufffd fat in the blood), apolipoprotein B (ApoB \ufffd a protein associated with LDL or \ufffdbad\ufffd cholesterol) and high-density lipoprotein 2 (HDL2 \ufffd a type of \ufffdreally good\ufffd cholesterol).
Researchers found no significant changes among the three groups\ufffd levels of blood insulin and glucose, or other major risk factors.
But they reported for the first time that, after three months of coffee drinking, the decaffeinated group experienced a rise in fatty acids, which is the fuel in the blood that can drive the production of low-density lipoprotein LDL.
ApoB went up 8 percent in the decaffeinated group but did not significantly change in the other two groups. ApoB is the only protein attached to LDL, and studies show that ApoB might be a better predictor of cardiovascular disease risk than one\ufffds LDL level.
NEFA rose an average 18 percent in the decaffeinated group, while it did not change in the other two groups.
\ufffdNEFA is the fuel that can drive the increase in ApoB and LDL,\ufffd Superko said. \ufffdThese results are very surprising and have never been reported before for coffee consumption. This is the first non-industry-sponsored study of its kind. Until now, researchers had not reported on a randomized prospective study looking at the mechanism of how a particular kind of coffee consumption increases ApoB and LDL-cholesterol.
\ufffdThere is a real difference between caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee and, contrary to what people have thought for many years, I believe it\ufffds not caffeinated but decaffeinated coffee that might promote heart disease risk factors that are associated with the metabolic syndrome, an expanding heart-health hazard in the United States.\ufffd
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The National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded the study. Hmmm. Cheers, Scott. (Who has never liked coffee but drinks decaf black tea.)
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Post #234,807
11/18/05 1:50:27 AM
11/18/05 4:30:17 PM
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I've wondered about the chlorinated hydrocarbons used
in extracting the caffeine, too. Not enough though.. to follow whomever is even paying attention on that level. Funny how so many sugar- fat- free other ersatz 'foods' (like oleomargarine) -- when much later actually studied: prove to have Gotchas.
There might be some lesson there re 'nutrition' and that mantra 'Live foods'; but such messages are not what any kiloton supplying corp like ADM/corn/corn+ and other mass purveyors want to hear.
(I tend to prefer KISS, myself.) Marketing IS Lying, nearly always. ie persuasion.
moi, learned (surprisingly) to Like tea - (Only the Brits make it Right, though) and the occasional latte.

Edited by Ashton
Nov. 18, 2005, 04:30:17 PM EST
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Post #234,814
11/18/05 5:47:30 AM
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Since when is Latte such a specifically *British* thing...?
;^>
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Post #234,921
11/18/05 4:32:49 PM
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Repaired.
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Post #234,829
11/18/05 9:23:29 AM
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prefer my tea sideways
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #234,833
11/18/05 10:02:40 AM
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Chicory
There are better means of having your decaffeinated cup and drinking it too. [link|http://coffeetea.about.com/cs/coffeesubstitutes/a/chicory.htm|Chicory] offers coffee drinkers an alternative plus healthful benefits.
Something to think about.
Peace, Amy
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #234,836
11/18/05 10:34:26 AM
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Fat free, sugar free, calorie free,
water
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #234,842
11/18/05 11:05:37 AM
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flavor free, energy free
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Post #234,844
11/18/05 11:09:45 AM
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clorine isnt a flavor?
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #234,960
11/18/05 6:15:49 PM
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Only if you're a pool. And it's chlorine, BTW.
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Post #234,981
11/18/05 7:50:27 PM
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It's stuck in my nose
Just got back from the gym.
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Post #234,982
11/18/05 7:52:36 PM
11/18/05 7:54:23 PM
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My drink of choice!
I prefer fluoride-free as well.
Peace, Amy
except at BeepBash, where my drink of choice is the Beloved White Russian with lots of whipped cream...Yum! (Hiccup!)
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot

Edited by imqwerky
Nov. 18, 2005, 07:54:23 PM EST
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Post #235,023
11/19/05 12:08:58 AM
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I lucked out, the folks I bought the house from
his wife had chemical intolerance for everything so I have a whole house filter, even the hot water. Chlorine free showers and baths. thanx, bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
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