Post #233,477
11/11/05 1:11:17 AM
8/21/07 5:39:30 AM
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Put down the Starbucks and walk away
[link|http://www.energyfiend.com/death-by-caffeine/|http://www.energyfie...eath-by-caffeine/]
How many servings of your favorite caffeinated beverage will kill you? Find out now! (Starbucks coffee is really quite dangerous it seems).
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Post #233,480
11/11/05 1:34:14 AM
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I'm currently doing something I never thought I'd do...
...which is cut down on caffeine intake.
I refuse to compromise on strength or flavour, so I'm down to a measly two cups a day.
Heart-rate hitting 170 after 10 minutes on the bike, coupled with piss-poor recovery times has prompted me to investigate this.
Peter
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Post #233,498
11/11/05 7:44:49 AM
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I've completely stopped ingesting it
Or any similar alkaloid. No chocolate, no tea, nothing on [link|http://www.batnet.com/spencer/faq1.html#19|this list].
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #233,500
11/11/05 7:51:41 AM
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Phew
Beer's not on the list. (Apart from caffeinated beer at the bottom, which is presumably only drunk by effete fops)
\\o/
Peter
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Post #233,502
11/11/05 7:55:11 AM
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Agreed.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #233,551
11/11/05 11:26:44 AM
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Everyone should reconsider their intake level...
[link|http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000229.htm#Causes,%20incidence,%20and%20risk%20factors|http://www.nlm.nih.g...%20risk%20factors]
"Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori) is a bacteria responsible for most ulcers..."
[...]
"Prevention (of the Helicobacter pylori)
* Don't smoke or quit smoking.
* Reduce stress and practice relaxation techiniques.
* Limit coffee intake to no more than three cups per day."
Limit coffee intake! That's the ticket!
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Post #233,558
11/11/05 12:29:26 PM
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And a followup to that...
There was a paper in Scientific American a few months ago talking about how H. Pylori, while it may cause ulcers, also helps to regulate the levels of stomach acid, and that the recent rise in the number of cases of acid reflux disease may be linkable to treatment of peptic ulcers with antibiotics...
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Post #233,523
11/11/05 9:50:39 AM
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According to that, I should be dead by now.
It's a diet coke thing.
I've cut way back on coffee- 1 perfect cup in the morning to savor and then it's green tea for the rest of the day if I need something hot. About a year ago ago I was easily drinking 2 liters of diet coke a day. I had done this for many years. I weaned myself off that and now drink water all day long instead. I miss the sound of opening a can of DC. Fiiwiisshhh......ahhh....
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #233,526
11/11/05 9:57:18 AM
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I think that site means "in a row"
Not cumulative
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #233,531
11/11/05 10:04:40 AM
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Yeah, I know.
I *really* enjoyed my diet coke. Especially when I worked midnights at the crisis center. I needed that fizzy little lift to get me through my shift listening to people drone on about their relationship problems at 2am.
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #233,534
11/11/05 10:11:15 AM
11/11/05 10:11:40 AM
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I thought it meant 'at once'
Otherwise my coffeepot is still dangerous... *grin*
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- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Nov. 11, 2005, 10:11:40 AM EST
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Post #233,535
11/11/05 10:11:59 AM
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That, too... :-)
Follow your MOUSE
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Post #233,564
11/11/05 12:46:57 PM
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Dude, its always been dangerous
Like mine, the yield is defintely a higher potency than standard.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #233,561
11/11/05 12:40:17 PM
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Aaaccckkk!
You know that aspartame is a neurotoxin, right? That stuff can cause all kinds of horrible side-effects. I don't have time to put linkies, since the phone just rang and I have to run up to school to take lunch money to the girl-child.
Anyhoo. Glad to hear you are off that terrible stuff. And don't use Splenda either!
Ok...Gotta run.
Back later.
Hugs and Peace,
Amy
"It's never too late to be what you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #233,568
11/11/05 1:30:06 PM
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Since you're on the run: a Splenda\ufffd tidbit -
[link|http://www.deepdownwellness.com/althealth/splendasymtoms.html| here]. (I once inadvertently bought some *Diet* Schweppes tonic) - now THERE's an Evil taste-combo on its own pinnacle
[. . .]
Maybe you are thinking, but it is FDA-approved so it must be safe. Well, I could fill many pages listing all of the \ufffdapproved\ufffd substances that have turned out to be unfit for human use, but here are just a few:
* Aspartame
* PEDIARIX combination vaccine for children
* Food irradiation
* FluMist nasal flu vaccine
If you would like to know more about why Splenda is essentially chlorinated table sugar, you should read [link|http://mercola.com/2000/dec/3/sucralose_dangers.htm| The Potential Dangers of Sucralose]. Some chlorinated molecules serve as the basis for pesticides such as DDT and accumulate in body fat and tissues. Although is commonly thought that surcralose passes through the body unabsorbed, FDA research says otherwise. According to FDA tests, 11 percent to 27 percent of sucralose is absorbed by humans, and tests by the Japanese Food Sanitation Council show that up to 40 percent may actually be absorbed.
In fact, here is what it says on the Splenda Web site:
[. . .]
Etc. other links there. Pharmchem.. eet ee$ Everywhar, and marketed by (surely) Karl Rove LLC subsidiaries.
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Post #233,569
11/11/05 1:33:27 PM
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Great
Being diabetic, splenda is (was) a godsend.
--
Steve
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Post #233,578
11/11/05 2:58:57 PM
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But it's a puzzlement..
'Splenda side effects' gets about a quarter Million hits!
Perfect illustration of, all that Information: so little you can trust.
I have no idea (that I'd ~trust ;-) which of the extant choices are least noxious *for Me*, but adding 'for diabetics' - only cuts the hits to 165K (!) Presumably it is individual metabolism, genetics which would determine a tolerance for the negatives; pity we don't even know our own 'tolerances', I wot.
My WAG is that, because of the consequences of n! .. much of the 'data' wouldn't pass Stat 101; all one can hope for, I guess - is to stumble upon a researcher with a semblance of non-trivial data and enough corroboration (not 10 folks quoting each other!) Circle game.
I tried some ice cream w/Splenda. Seemed better tasting than Nutrasweet? which I probably had <10 times. Quite less of that aftertaste I can't accept - of prevous Diet-whatevers. But I did notice an ""odd"" after-effect.. sorta bloated? or vaguely unsettled-in-stomach; ie just as 'vague' an experience as these words!
Luck balancing the Unknowns,
Ashton
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Post #233,619
11/11/05 5:48:48 PM
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Re: But it's a puzzlement..
'Splenda side effects' gets about a quarter Million hits! "ashton side effects" gets [link|http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=ashton+side+effects&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8|639,000] hits. What's your point?
Peter
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Post #233,623
11/11/05 6:01:04 PM
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OMG!!!
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Post #233,654
11/11/05 8:41:55 PM
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hah! :-)
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Post #233,658
11/11/05 9:17:26 PM
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Your point, though: Anyone can contrive a bogus 'search' :-\ufffd
And I'd say, with 'side effects' + diabetes + Splenda: it's at least a start.
A few [-]s might converge - but nobody here can learn any search-fu from the likes of moi, so why should I offer any?
(Still, 'Whysall number of bogus searches' got 71, even a few with name.)
Smart ass!
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Post #233,663
11/11/05 9:31:05 PM
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Taste
It >does< taste good. I've had the Breyer's ice cream sweetened with sucralose, and it's very good. I haven't noticed any side effects, but I have not been looking for anything, either. When I was first diagnosed with diabetes ~1 year ago, the lady at the ADA education I went to suggested the use of Splenda, and the ADA's website recommends it as well on their [link|http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-and-recipes/nutrition/sweeteners.jsp|sweeteners] page stating: Low Calorie Sweeteners
Don't throw away your low-calorie sweeteners just because sugar is safer than you thought. Low-calorie sweeteners are "free foods." They make food taste sweet, and have no calories and do not raise blood glucose levels. They do not count as a carbohydrate, a fat, or any other exchange. They can be added to your meal plan instead of substituted.
The Food & Drug Administration (FDA) has approved the use of these low-calorie sweeteners. The American Diabetes Association accepts the FDA's conclusion that these sweeteners are safe and can be part of a healthy diet. It never occurred to me to do more research. --
Steve
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Post #233,665
11/11/05 9:36:33 PM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #233664 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=233664|ICLRPD]
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No new taxes.
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We don't torture.
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Post #233,586
11/11/05 3:31:22 PM
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Back now.
Thank you for showing them the horrors of Splenda/sucralose. Diabetics can take heart in using stevia, which is a natural sweetener. I think it is pretty good, myself, although some people complain of bitterness. I haven't experienced that.
[link|http://doityourself.com/vegetables/sweetstevia.htm|Stevia] seems to be stable for use in baking as well.
There is also another natural sweetener called [link|http://www.chinanaturalproduct.com/Lo_Han_Kuo_Extract.htm|lo han kuo]. I don't know much about it, but it is promising.
You can get Stevia at Whole Foods.
Peace,
Amy
"It's never too late to be what you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #233,554
11/11/05 11:50:59 AM
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168 cans of Red Bull?
I though that programmer juice was supposed to be strong. My breakfast coffee can do it in 89. Programmers must be such wimps.
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Post #233,565
11/11/05 12:56:57 PM
11/11/05 12:58:31 PM
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4616.16 Ounces of Diet Mountain Dew,
or 384.68 12oz cans of it.
I'd have to have a beer bong style intake mechanism being constantly filled and a breathing apparatus, plus a "wee wee tube" to drain it...
I figure about 2 weeks to drink all of that at maximum absorbtion rate of the body... 24 hours a day.
I'd spend more on the equipment to try it, than 33 - 12 packs of Canned DMD.
Taint worth the try.
Now if you'll excuse me, I now have an excuse to buy more DMD.
BTW: 264.47 cans of RedBull.
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Edited by folkert
Nov. 11, 2005, 12:58:31 PM EST
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Post #233,625
11/11/05 6:22:45 PM
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291.2 cans of Diet Coke
Which is only about twice may daily intake....
jb4
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Post #233,637
11/11/05 7:55:24 PM
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You're halfway dead!
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #234,543
11/16/05 4:57:56 PM
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And that surprises you how?
jb4
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Post #233,653
11/11/05 8:40:35 PM
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375.38 cups of Brewed Tea
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Post #234,742
11/17/05 4:24:28 PM
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But you knew that decaf stuff will kill you too, right?
[link|http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3035336|American Heart Association] (via /.): DALLAS, Nov. 16 \ufffd Decaffeinated \ufffd not caffeinated \ufffd coffee may cause an increase in harmful LDL cholesterol by increasing a specific type of blood fat linked to the metabolic syndrome, hints a new study presented at the American Heart Association\ufffds Scientific Sessions 2005.
The Coffee and Lipoprotein Metabolism (CALM) study included 187 people, randomized to three groups: one that drank three to six cups of caffeinated coffee a day; another that drank three to six cups of decaffeinated coffee a day; and a third, the control group, that drank no coffee.
[...]
Researchers measured the level of caffeine in the blood of the participants, as well as levels of the key heart-health indicators before and after the three-month study.
They sought to clearly demonstrate the effects of caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee consumption on key indicators of the metabolic syndrome, which is the umbrella term for a cluster of several harmful heart disease risk factors. Researchers looked at blood pressure, heart rate, BMI, total cholesterol, triglycerides, HDL (good cholesterol) levels of insulin, glucose, non-esterified fatty acids (NEFA \ufffd fat in the blood), apolipoprotein B (ApoB \ufffd a protein associated with LDL or \ufffdbad\ufffd cholesterol) and high-density lipoprotein 2 (HDL2 \ufffd a type of \ufffdreally good\ufffd cholesterol).
Researchers found no significant changes among the three groups\ufffd levels of blood insulin and glucose, or other major risk factors.
But they reported for the first time that, after three months of coffee drinking, the decaffeinated group experienced a rise in fatty acids, which is the fuel in the blood that can drive the production of low-density lipoprotein LDL.
ApoB went up 8 percent in the decaffeinated group but did not significantly change in the other two groups. ApoB is the only protein attached to LDL, and studies show that ApoB might be a better predictor of cardiovascular disease risk than one\ufffds LDL level.
NEFA rose an average 18 percent in the decaffeinated group, while it did not change in the other two groups.
\ufffdNEFA is the fuel that can drive the increase in ApoB and LDL,\ufffd Superko said. \ufffdThese results are very surprising and have never been reported before for coffee consumption. This is the first non-industry-sponsored study of its kind. Until now, researchers had not reported on a randomized prospective study looking at the mechanism of how a particular kind of coffee consumption increases ApoB and LDL-cholesterol.
\ufffdThere is a real difference between caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee and, contrary to what people have thought for many years, I believe it\ufffds not caffeinated but decaffeinated coffee that might promote heart disease risk factors that are associated with the metabolic syndrome, an expanding heart-health hazard in the United States.\ufffd
[...]
The National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded the study. Hmmm. Cheers, Scott. (Who has never liked coffee but drinks decaf black tea.)
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Post #234,807
11/18/05 1:50:27 AM
11/18/05 4:30:17 PM
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I've wondered about the chlorinated hydrocarbons used
in extracting the caffeine, too. Not enough though.. to follow whomever is even paying attention on that level. Funny how so many sugar- fat- free other ersatz 'foods' (like oleomargarine) -- when much later actually studied: prove to have Gotchas.
There might be some lesson there re 'nutrition' and that mantra 'Live foods'; but such messages are not what any kiloton supplying corp like ADM/corn/corn+ and other mass purveyors want to hear.
(I tend to prefer KISS, myself.) Marketing IS Lying, nearly always. ie persuasion.
moi,
learned (surprisingly) to Like tea -
(Only the Brits make it Right, though)
and the occasional latte.
Edited by Ashton
Nov. 18, 2005, 04:30:17 PM EST
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Post #234,814
11/18/05 5:47:30 AM
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Since when is Latte such a specifically *British* thing...?
;^>
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Post #234,921
11/18/05 4:32:49 PM
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Repaired.
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Post #234,829
11/18/05 9:23:29 AM
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prefer my tea sideways
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Post #234,833
11/18/05 10:02:40 AM
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Chicory
There are better means of having your decaffeinated cup and drinking it too. [link|http://coffeetea.about.com/cs/coffeesubstitutes/a/chicory.htm|Chicory] offers coffee drinkers an alternative plus healthful benefits.
Something to think about.
Peace,
Amy
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Post #234,836
11/18/05 10:34:26 AM
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Fat free, sugar free, calorie free,
water
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #234,842
11/18/05 11:05:37 AM
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flavor free, energy free
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Post #234,844
11/18/05 11:09:45 AM
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clorine isnt a flavor?
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
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Post #234,960
11/18/05 6:15:49 PM
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Only if you're a pool. And it's chlorine, BTW.
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Post #234,981
11/18/05 7:50:27 PM
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It's stuck in my nose
Just got back from the gym.
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Post #234,982
11/18/05 7:52:36 PM
11/18/05 7:54:23 PM
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My drink of choice!
I prefer fluoride-free as well.
Peace,
Amy
except at BeepBash, where my drink of choice is the Beloved White Russian with lots of whipped cream...Yum! (Hiccup!)
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
Edited by imqwerky
Nov. 18, 2005, 07:54:23 PM EST
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Post #235,023
11/19/05 12:08:58 AM
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I lucked out, the folks I bought the house from
his wife had chemical intolerance for everything so I have a whole house filter, even the hot water. Chlorine free showers and baths.
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #235,631
11/23/05 8:49:58 AM
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NY TImes article on "energy drinks"
[link|http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/23/business/23drinks.html?8hpib=&pagewanted=print|Here]: Critics contend that much of the skyrocketing growth of energy drinks comes because consumers are getting physically addicted, either by consuming the concoctions daily or guzzling several at a time to elevate their mood.
Roland Griffiths, a professor of behavioral biology at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, says the amount of caffeine necessary to produce dependency and withdrawal symptoms is about 100 milligrams a day. A can of energy drink has 80 to 160 milligrams, depending on the size, though such information is not listed on any cans. An eight-ounce cup of coffee typically has 100 to 150 milligrams.
[...]
Kristi Hinck, a spokeswoman for SoBe beverages, says that if consumers are curious about ingredients, they should do research. "We encourage people to do their homework and look it up," she said. "It's part of the whole mystique about energy drinks."
Some scientists say this mystique amounts to little more than shrewd marketing of overpriced, caffeinated sugar water. "These are just caffeine delivery systems," said Professor Griffiths at Johns Hopkins. "They're being marketed cleverly to imply they have other ingredients that may be useful to some end."
Henk Smit, a researcher in the department of experimental psychology at the University of Bristol in Britain, decided to test the effectiveness of energy drinks. In a study published in the medical journal Nutritional Neuroscience last year, Mr. Smit found that energy drinks were effective at improving mood and performance, but he concluded that caffeine was the crucial component.
"Any additional benefits of taurine, glucuronolactone or other ingredients are minimal compared to those of caffeine, and from what I know, are speculative at best for most of these ingredients," he wrote in an e-mail message.
[...] FWIW. Cheers, Scott. (Who generally avoids caffeine because it can make his heart race, interfere with his sleep, and give him terrible withdrawal headaches.)
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Post #235,633
11/23/05 8:58:49 AM
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Those things were popular in Japan in the late '80s...
Tried one when I was there in '89 - if I had ever tasted shit, my guess is that what it would taste like. Never had one since.
H2O is my energy drink of choice.
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