Post #230,877
10/25/05 5:03:00 PM
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What are you talking about?
No, the question is not rhetorical: Which site/page is it that you think we're talking about? If you mean his blogs and Yahoo profile and stuff, then yeah, you're right; they were quite sad.
But the "Uncyclopedia" one -- where the fun poked at *us* was such that some people(*) didn't even see that it *was* by Norman... I can't see the sadness extending to that one.
I mean, was I supposed to think it was sad *before* I knew who wrote it? Hopefully not. Or to change my opinion of its funniness once I found out who wrote it? Sorry, but that doesn't work. It's like, say, if you found out, now, that the creator of the Roadrunner/Coyote cartoons got run over by a train in a tunnel, or fell down a miles-deep canyon. Or got eaten by coyotes. Would that make all the cartoons instantly not-funny? Honestly?
(*): Uh, yeah... That'd be me.
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Yes Mr. Garrison, genetic engineering lets us correct God's horrible, horrible mistakes, like German people. - [link|http://maxpages.com/southpark2k/Episode_105|Mr. Hat]
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Post #230,882
10/25/05 5:18:18 PM
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Context matters to some of us
If I see something hilarious, then find out that the person to whom it happened was killed in the incident, suddenly it isn't funny to me and I feel bad for laughing. This is how I thought most normal people were.
If you don't react that way, then there is really nothing to discuss.
Regards,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #230,973
10/26/05 3:04:24 AM
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Yeah, but to whom "did it happen"?
BenT gallops around on a holier-than-thou horse of immense height: If I see something hilarious, then find out that the person to whom it happened was killed in the incident, suddenly it isn't funny to me and I feel bad for laughing. So WTF was _that "Uncyclopedia" page_ *about* (before YendorMike mutilated it)?!? Was it about how hilarious it is that someone is going crazy? NO, it fecking well *wasn't*! Was it a parody of all the conspiracy-theorist criticisms that have been levied against *us*, here (with a grain of truth about how we are sometimes a bunch of ever so slightly pompous pseudo-intellectuals)? Yes, in actual fact, that's EXACTLY what it was about! So HOW THE FUCK is that something that you "later found out" -- that you ever *could* find out -- that it "happened to Norm"??? A critique of our collective behaviour, written in a style that parodies not only Norm but also Bryce and Michel and possibly even the Philbot, isn't "something that happens" to anyone at all, AFAICS. This is how I thought most normal people were.
If you don't react that way, then there is really nothing to discuss. Yeah, yeah, I'm an abnormally sadistic bastard, and the rest of you are all deeply caring angels. There is, of course, not the *slightest* possibility that I'm right and you are wrong.
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Yes Mr. Garrison, genetic engineering lets us correct God's horrible, horrible mistakes, like German people. - [link|http://maxpages.com/southpark2k/Episode_105|Mr. Hat]
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Post #230,976
10/26/05 3:22:06 AM
10/26/05 3:26:41 AM
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Another perspective maybe
To whom did it happen? Well to those of us who lived it on a more personal level, it happened to us, if that makes any sense.
The minute I saw the words written there on the Uncyclopedia site, the old familiar chill of he-who-we-try-not-to-mention-anymore, came back in a vengeance. Was it funny? Not really to me, because it was a reminder of all the hate he has spewed over the many years I've dealt with it. I've heard and seen it all before so much, I can practically quote him without looking.
And then, here's the rub, Christian. (I think that's the right phrase?). He always WANTED everyone to believe he was funny. He claimed he did all his weird stuff to be funny, even when he did things that were threatening, damaging, and very hurtful to other people. For that simple reason, I can never see anything he writes as truly funny. Laughable yes, (as in stupid, dumb, ridiculous). But funny, hilarious in any sort of lighthearted way, no. This is simply because as soon as someone validates that he indeed, IS funny, can be funny, and his craziness is based on such funniness and thus is an acceptable thing, he becomes more powerful than ever. And that I simply cannot ever grant him.
He is a very sick individual. He tries to convince everyone that everything he writes and says is a joke, but it's not. It's very real, very dangerous, and has been very very damaging to people in the past.
Though I can see your point also, Conrad. For anyone who has not truly dabbled personally in the darkness that is Orion, on the surface he can "appear" to be just plain funny.
Brenda
"I'll rock the darn boat all I want to, and if it's meant to stay afloat, then it will. If not, then we'll just all go down with the bloody ship!"
Edited by Nightowl
Oct. 26, 2005, 03:24:13 AM EDT
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Oct. 26, 2005, 03:26:00 AM EDT
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Oct. 26, 2005, 03:26:41 AM EDT
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Post #230,897
10/25/05 6:39:39 PM
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Well in my case
I knew it was him before I ever checked. I've heard it all too many times before, read it all too many times before, and instantly my opinion of it was colored.
He used to argue that his "stupid" stuff on my groups was funny. Then when he offed himself online he thought that was funny. I guess in that context, since that upset a great many people, I no longer see anything he does as funny, just alarming and sad.
Brenda
"I'll rock the darn boat all I want to, and if it's meant to stay afloat, then it will. If not, then we'll just all go down with the bloody ship!"
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Post #230,899
10/25/05 6:48:48 PM
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We're on same page.
Matter recalls for me a skit re One-Upmanship, the credo of School for Scoundrels (A. Sim).
Teacher mimes a drunk walking with one foot in the gutter..
Guffaws all around, natch. {some more stuff} then,
Teacher leaves podium - limping painfully.. all the way down the aisle.
Intended response achieved: long faces, palpable Guilt, yada.
ie
I see no reason for faux- subsequent- Guilt! based upon information not then available. Either. I need not intentionally-suffer / try to rewrite my engrams [Hah!] to reflect that I Done a Stupid Thing? - because I Didn't.
(I do enough stupid-ass things as later deserve some inner i's talking-to i's - without searching for not-even-'marginal' cases, thankyouverymuch. But then, I'm not Catholic-inculcated, either ;-)
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