Post #230,737
10/24/05 9:31:11 PM
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Edited to reflect reality a bit more.
-YendorMike
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Post #230,740
10/24/05 9:52:08 PM
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Never wrestle with a pig....
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Post #230,760
10/25/05 3:56:27 AM
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Holy crap, man - lighten up, and back off! That was FUNNEE!!
Did *nobody* see that that was actually FUNNY?!?
Those ramblings were so totally over-the-top whacko, that they *obviously* CANNOT have been intended -- no, not even by poor old numbskull Norm -- to be taken seriously.
On the contrary, writing such utter drivel, in such a seemingly-but-not-possibly serious fashion, makes it UTTERLY clear that he's KIDDING! What that actually poked fun at are precisely the kind of paranoid ramblings that far too many of you apparently took this for a serious example of.
This actually shows(*) a degree of self-irony -- imagine, SELF-irony! -- that I wouldn't have expected from Norm in a million years... And THAT is why I thought it was written by one of our resident pranksters.
(*) Well, it showED -- before Mike went paranoid and trampled all over it.
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Post #230,762
10/25/05 4:37:57 AM
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s/FUNNEE/stupid/
Peter
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Post #230,765
10/25/05 5:08:05 AM
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And, say, "The Ministry of Silly Walks" is NOT stupid?
Why, yes, come to think of it, that sketch -- like most of the Python's stuff -- IS actually quite stupid!
Wow; maybe that means stuff can be stupid AND funny at the same time! Who'd'a thunk it... Hey, come to think of it, maybe some things even are so funny precisely *because* they are so stupid?
Now stop being such a humour-free arsehole and admit that this was actually "stupid" in a very funny way.
Anyone who couldn't see that was, I contend, being more than a little bit stupid himself.
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Post #230,766
10/25/05 5:15:04 AM
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I never said any of that.
Norm's page was stupid, in a not-funny kind of way.
Stop trying to convince me of the humorous nature of something that's actually about as funny as a suicide bomber at a birthday party.
Peter
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Post #230,767
10/25/05 6:00:55 AM
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OK, so keep on being one.
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Post #230,768
10/25/05 6:04:58 AM
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Yes, I'm humourless.
After all, what full-blooded human could fail to see the comedy gold in the mindless drivellings of Norman King?
Peter
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Post #230,769
10/25/05 6:50:14 AM
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Yeah, if you can't recognize self-PARODY for what it is...
...then indeed you are totally fucking bereft of humour.
Go buy a sense thereof from somewhere; I hear they're in the aisle right next to lives in most well-stocked supermarkets.
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Post #230,770
10/25/05 6:54:28 AM
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Self-parody, my arse.
Stupid is as stupid does, CRC.
Peter
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Post #230,775
10/25/05 8:20:26 AM
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When you compare
what he had written on the multiple sites, there is truth in both.
However, the personal site was NOT a joke and was defaming to our resident u.k.adian as well as others.
Then when the uncyc site is viewed it became apparent that it ended up a joke from much less humble beginnings.
I do, however, recommend that the edit adding the first line (and only remaining line) be removed. It wasn't necessary at all.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #230,879
10/25/05 5:10:07 PM
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How did you get to read them in that order?
Da Beepster sez: However, the personal site was NOT a joke and was defaming to our resident u.k.adian as well as others.
Then when the uncyc site is viewed it became apparent that it ended up a joke from much less humble beginnings. But, but... " Then when the uncyc site is viewed..." -- as if you viewed that *last*? How come, when this thread pretty much *started* with the "Uncyclopedia" page? I don't get it. Do you guys ALL read these threads, and follow links from posts, in *reverse* order? Why? If you had seen the "Uncyclopedia" page *first*, like I did, I bet your impression, at least of *that*, would be different.
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Post #230,885
10/25/05 5:22:48 PM
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Even with the UnC
Select an older revision and you can track the progression. It started as a rant and took several edits to add what you think are the funny bits.
The other sites weren't funny, period.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #230,849
10/25/05 2:11:09 PM
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Christian, he's a BRIT, ferchrissakes!
And you expect some form of humor?!? C'mon man, you know better'n that!
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #230,850
10/25/05 2:13:36 PM
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No humour here.
As anyone who has met me will be able to tell you.
Peter
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Post #230,862
10/25/05 3:36:45 PM
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Fairly parched land, that.
Regards,
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Post #230,881
10/25/05 5:16:25 PM
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Uh... Yeah, THAT reaction, to THAT post, kind'a confirms it.
That is, I think he was saying the opposite of what I think you thought he was saying.
(Now that I've written that sentence, I've fallen in love with it and can't help but post it.)
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Post #230,895
10/25/05 6:36:27 PM
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Yup, it's deliciously Nixonian :-\ufffd
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Post #230,810
10/25/05 12:13:50 PM
10/25/05 12:17:41 PM
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Who indeed?
After all, what full-blooded human could fail to see the comedy gold in the mindless drivellings of Norman King? Those who know him or knew him on any deeper level. Brenda
"I'll rock the darn boat all I want to, and if it's meant to stay afloat, then it will. If not, then we'll just all go down with the bloody ship!"
Edited by Nightowl
Oct. 25, 2005, 12:17:41 PM EDT
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Post #230,805
10/25/05 12:01:57 PM
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I get that Peter, I do
The unfunniness of it is obvious. The only thing that can be considered humorous about it at all, is how ridiculous he has become. That's laughable, but not in any sort of funny way. In fact, it's more of a tragic way, if you ask me.
Brenda
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Post #230,826
10/25/05 1:27:54 PM
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Clarification on what is and is not funny.
When we see Wile E. Coyote freeze at the sight of an oncoming train then get run over, that's funny because we know that he wasn't actually hurt.
When we see that happen to a real person it isn't funny, because someone did get hurt.
Norman got hurt. Therefore it isn't funny. Unless you're sick.
Regards,
Ben
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Post #230,831
10/25/05 1:34:45 PM
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Well said
And the same goes for other people, as well. If they got hurt also in the process, it was not funny.
Brenda
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Post #230,877
10/25/05 5:03:00 PM
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What are you talking about?
No, the question is not rhetorical: Which site/page is it that you think we're talking about? If you mean his blogs and Yahoo profile and stuff, then yeah, you're right; they were quite sad.
But the "Uncyclopedia" one -- where the fun poked at *us* was such that some people(*) didn't even see that it *was* by Norman... I can't see the sadness extending to that one.
I mean, was I supposed to think it was sad *before* I knew who wrote it? Hopefully not. Or to change my opinion of its funniness once I found out who wrote it? Sorry, but that doesn't work. It's like, say, if you found out, now, that the creator of the Roadrunner/Coyote cartoons got run over by a train in a tunnel, or fell down a miles-deep canyon. Or got eaten by coyotes. Would that make all the cartoons instantly not-funny? Honestly?
(*): Uh, yeah... That'd be me.
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Post #230,882
10/25/05 5:18:18 PM
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Context matters to some of us
If I see something hilarious, then find out that the person to whom it happened was killed in the incident, suddenly it isn't funny to me and I feel bad for laughing. This is how I thought most normal people were.
If you don't react that way, then there is really nothing to discuss.
Regards,
Ben
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Post #230,973
10/26/05 3:04:24 AM
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Yeah, but to whom "did it happen"?
BenT gallops around on a holier-than-thou horse of immense height: If I see something hilarious, then find out that the person to whom it happened was killed in the incident, suddenly it isn't funny to me and I feel bad for laughing. So WTF was _that "Uncyclopedia" page_ *about* (before YendorMike mutilated it)?!? Was it about how hilarious it is that someone is going crazy? NO, it fecking well *wasn't*! Was it a parody of all the conspiracy-theorist criticisms that have been levied against *us*, here (with a grain of truth about how we are sometimes a bunch of ever so slightly pompous pseudo-intellectuals)? Yes, in actual fact, that's EXACTLY what it was about! So HOW THE FUCK is that something that you "later found out" -- that you ever *could* find out -- that it "happened to Norm"??? A critique of our collective behaviour, written in a style that parodies not only Norm but also Bryce and Michel and possibly even the Philbot, isn't "something that happens" to anyone at all, AFAICS. This is how I thought most normal people were.
If you don't react that way, then there is really nothing to discuss. Yeah, yeah, I'm an abnormally sadistic bastard, and the rest of you are all deeply caring angels. There is, of course, not the *slightest* possibility that I'm right and you are wrong.
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Post #230,976
10/26/05 3:22:06 AM
10/26/05 3:26:41 AM
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Another perspective maybe
To whom did it happen? Well to those of us who lived it on a more personal level, it happened to us, if that makes any sense.
The minute I saw the words written there on the Uncyclopedia site, the old familiar chill of he-who-we-try-not-to-mention-anymore, came back in a vengeance. Was it funny? Not really to me, because it was a reminder of all the hate he has spewed over the many years I've dealt with it. I've heard and seen it all before so much, I can practically quote him without looking.
And then, here's the rub, Christian. (I think that's the right phrase?). He always WANTED everyone to believe he was funny. He claimed he did all his weird stuff to be funny, even when he did things that were threatening, damaging, and very hurtful to other people. For that simple reason, I can never see anything he writes as truly funny. Laughable yes, (as in stupid, dumb, ridiculous). But funny, hilarious in any sort of lighthearted way, no. This is simply because as soon as someone validates that he indeed, IS funny, can be funny, and his craziness is based on such funniness and thus is an acceptable thing, he becomes more powerful than ever. And that I simply cannot ever grant him.
He is a very sick individual. He tries to convince everyone that everything he writes and says is a joke, but it's not. It's very real, very dangerous, and has been very very damaging to people in the past.
Though I can see your point also, Conrad. For anyone who has not truly dabbled personally in the darkness that is Orion, on the surface he can "appear" to be just plain funny.
Brenda
"I'll rock the darn boat all I want to, and if it's meant to stay afloat, then it will. If not, then we'll just all go down with the bloody ship!"
Edited by Nightowl
Oct. 26, 2005, 03:24:13 AM EDT
Edited by Nightowl
Oct. 26, 2005, 03:26:00 AM EDT
Edited by Nightowl
Oct. 26, 2005, 03:26:41 AM EDT
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Post #230,897
10/25/05 6:39:39 PM
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Well in my case
I knew it was him before I ever checked. I've heard it all too many times before, read it all too many times before, and instantly my opinion of it was colored.
He used to argue that his "stupid" stuff on my groups was funny. Then when he offed himself online he thought that was funny. I guess in that context, since that upset a great many people, I no longer see anything he does as funny, just alarming and sad.
Brenda
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Post #230,899
10/25/05 6:48:48 PM
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We're on same page.
Matter recalls for me a skit re One-Upmanship, the credo of School for Scoundrels (A. Sim).
Teacher mimes a drunk walking with one foot in the gutter..
Guffaws all around, natch. {some more stuff} then,
Teacher leaves podium - limping painfully.. all the way down the aisle.
Intended response achieved: long faces, palpable Guilt, yada.
ie
I see no reason for faux- subsequent- Guilt! based upon information not then available. Either. I need not intentionally-suffer / try to rewrite my engrams [Hah!] to reflect that I Done a Stupid Thing? - because I Didn't.
(I do enough stupid-ass things as later deserve some inner i's talking-to i's - without searching for not-even-'marginal' cases, thankyouverymuch. But then, I'm not Catholic-inculcated, either ;-)
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Post #230,902
10/25/05 6:53:23 PM
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Time again to post a link to...
[link|http://www.rvc.cc.il.us/faclink/pruckman/humor/acme.htm|Coyote v. ACME!]
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #230,919
10/25/05 8:32:54 PM
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rvc.cc - Rock Valley college?
Yep. [link|http://www.rvc.cc.il.us/faclink/pruckman/VITA/new_page.htm|Prof. Pruckman page]. I remember College Bowl and kicking their ass. Took the state title that year.
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Post #230,776
10/25/05 8:20:32 AM
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It struck me as very twisted, even for him.Not funny at all.
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Post #230,804
10/25/05 12:01:03 PM
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I have to agree
The things he said to me towards the last bordered on these exact statements, or in some cases mirrored them, and trust me, he wasn't joking then.
He's a very sick individual, and I've stopped being surprised by anything he does, and simply focused on staying safe from whatever he might dream up.
I did not see any of that as a joke, just as I didn't see anything about pretending he had offed himself as a joke, and that deeply upset a number of other people who truly believed it, having no clue.
He changed his blog to reflect that the last three months of the year are the worst for him. I could have almost predicted that, since it's when he "comes back" to haunt me every single year. All I can say is be prepared.
Brenda
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Post #230,783
10/25/05 8:47:44 AM
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written by a nutjob about nutjobs and aside from you CRC
the rest of this thread kinda proves his point.
thanx,
bill
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Post #230,802
10/25/05 11:38:28 AM
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The uncyc entry, yes; the rest, no
I didn't see anything in the other sites that seemed worth getting worked up over. But I didn't go digging much. The uncyc entry though ... did anyone bother to check out what that site is about? ie: Follow the "dispute" link and see what you get.
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Post #230,807
10/25/05 12:09:21 PM
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Re: The uncyc entry, yes; the rest, no
I didn't see anything in the other sites that seemed worth getting worked up over. But I didn't go digging much. The uncyc entry though ... did anyone bother to check out what that site is about? ie: Follow the "dispute" link and see what you get. I read the basis for the site. He's simply using a place specifically designed to post lies, to continue to perpetuate his hatred and craziness against many things, including here. He ceased to be a funny thing for me when he became a serious threat to me last year. You obviously didn't read the personal messages he stated in his new blog (which he edited out last night), about members here on IWT, which he named by real name, I might add. I captured all of it (been doing that since way back) if anyone were to want a copy,(e-mail me at lightspeedowl AT Yahoo... you know the drill. The best part is, if he's doing all this to get to me, it's not working. In fact, it's almost a welcome diversion from my current situation, because at least he is a known entity and I know exactly how to deal with him. Yes, I check in on what he rants about every now and then, because that's smart, but he doesn't emotionally upset me anymore. I take him as what he is, and watch his progress such as one would watch an approaching hurricane, in order to protect myself. And that is the smartest thing I can do, in this situation. Brenda
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Post #230,811
10/25/05 12:16:37 PM
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You mean he edited posts after people saw them?
That seems so out of character for him.
Do I really need it?
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Post #230,813
10/25/05 12:25:24 PM
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:-) Looks like he took out Imric's corrections too...
Let him have his "fun". It's not worth our time.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #230,815
10/25/05 12:31:33 PM
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Stop feeding him, people
He's eating it up.
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Post #230,817
10/25/05 12:35:18 PM
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Just for the record, Drew
No one here started him up. The end of the year did. So regardless of whether we talk about his stupidity or not, he will not cease. I've been through both rounds, and it doesn't matter.
As long as we don't get "upset" about it, we win. ;)
Brenda
"I'll rock the darn boat all I want to, and if it's meant to stay afloat, then it will. If not, then we'll just all go down with the bloody ship!"
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Post #230,843
10/25/05 1:58:30 PM
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Hey, don't drag me into that morass...
[link|http://www.runningworks.com|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #230,852
10/25/05 2:21:04 PM
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D'Oh! Yendor, meet Imric. And vice versa.
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Post #230,884
10/25/05 5:22:18 PM
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Meh. I'm done there
Better things to do with my time, and all that. It was fun while it lasted, etc.
-YendorMike
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Post #230,889
10/25/05 6:02:42 PM
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Not him...
The admins of the site are editing the page.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #230,890
10/25/05 6:10:57 PM
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Okay... :-/
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Post #230,891
10/25/05 6:13:06 PM
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Re: Okay... :-/
[link|http://uncyclopedia.org/index.php?title=IWETHEY&action=history|http://uncyclopedia....EY&action=history]
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #230,892
10/25/05 6:27:56 PM
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I understand.
It's just that it's hard to tell the inmates from the keepers in that list.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #230,828
10/25/05 1:30:35 PM
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Bung me a copy
Morbid curiosity.
peter dot whysall at ntlworld dot com
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Post #230,835
10/25/05 1:45:33 PM
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Sent
I'll be gone awhile today, but if anyone needs anything else, I'll be back later.
Brenda
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Post #230,836
10/25/05 1:52:35 PM
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Ta
Peter
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Post #230,883
10/25/05 5:21:47 PM
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'Xackly. And that was all I was talking about.
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Post #230,809
10/25/05 12:12:34 PM
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Re: Holy crap, man - lighten up,...That was FUNNEE!!
Conrad, having heard much of that drivel, including the terrorist parts, directed personally against me last year, and against others around me, I have a hard time seeing any of his ravings yesterday as funny. Laughable (as in ridiculous), yes, funny, no.
Maybe it's funny if you aren't one of his intended targets. Maybe it's funny if you hadn't already spent nearly 18 years dealing with him on a personal basis, maybe. But in my case, it's severely disturbing, and something to keep an eye on yet again... after a long, peaceful hiatus from his chaos.
Brenda
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