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Post #214,183
by imric
7/11/05 11:15:07 AM
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New Still gotta be careful
The black is a 'return' line, so the potential still exists to get shocked, depending on how it was originally wired. AC can be such fun!
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  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 


Post #214,196
by folkert
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7/11/05 11:48:48 AM
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New Black is neutral, Plz-KThnkz!
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Post #214,225
by tuberculosis
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7/11/05 1:54:41 PM
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New No - black is *supposed* to be neutral
If you have a new house and you are the sole owner, black is probably reliably neutral everywhere. If you have an older house, and just one previous owner was a careless do it yourselfer, then any color wire can carry any kind of charge.

You need a meter and a good dollop of paranoia tempered with (un)common sense to work on such a house.

Serously, get a polarity tester (little pluggy thing with a couple lights on it) and walk around your house with it. If you are not the first owner, I will give you ten to one that at least one outlet shows up flipped.


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Post #214,264
by admin
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7/11/05 3:41:05 PM
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New Yep.
And I've got at least one outlet in the house (38 yo house) that has flipped colors AND it stays slightly hot even after the circuit breaker is flipped. I haven't figured where it comes from yet, either.
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Post #214,312
by static
7/11/05 7:57:48 PM
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New This is true.
My father (an electrician) was working on a friend's small factory, putting in ELCBs. He discovered some very peculiar cross-circuit wiring - like a set of lights on one circuit breaker using the neutral for another circuit. Took him a little while to sort that out.

Wade.
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Post #214,233
by imric
7/11/05 2:21:19 PM
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New Back when I passed the NEC test
in '78, my teacher always referred to it as the 'return'. It's a habit borne of age...
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Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 


     Blown electrical outlets - (bionerd) - (49) - July 8, 2005, 01:00:16 PM EDT
         R! GOWYSC! -NT - (drewk) - July 8, 2005, 01:30:42 PM EDT
         Some things to check. - (Another Scott) - July 8, 2005, 02:01:34 PM EDT
         Might be the startup surge of the dehumidifier when treadmil - (boxley) - July 8, 2005, 02:22:30 PM EDT
         Re: Blown electrical outlets - (Ashton) - July 8, 2005, 07:49:35 PM EDT
         Electric outlets are simple. And deadly. - (Silverlock) - (1) - July 8, 2005, 10:41:16 PM EDT
             Nothing a screwdriver and hammer can't fix! -NT - (ChrisR) - July 8, 2005, 11:31:46 PM EDT
         how old is the house? - (cforde) - (42) - July 9, 2005, 04:07:15 AM EDT
             Was hoping I could fix it with duct tape....... - (bionerd) - (41) - July 9, 2005, 11:49:40 AM EDT
                 Wisdom -NT - (Steve Lowe) - (28) - July 9, 2005, 01:24:40 PM EDT
                     Yeah, but what fun is that? -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (27) - July 9, 2005, 08:23:14 PM EDT
                         :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (26) - July 9, 2005, 08:26:05 PM EDT
                             re: what fun is that? - (imqwerky) - (25) - July 9, 2005, 10:30:45 PM EDT
                                 Now yer cookin! -NT - (Ashton) - July 10, 2005, 02:29:48 AM EDT
                                 Yup. - (Andrew Grygus) - (23) - July 10, 2005, 04:32:10 AM EDT
                                     Why you little.....(a la Three Stooges) - (imqwerky) - (22) - July 11, 2005, 10:47:42 AM EDT
                                         EEs don't *work* with electricity - (drewk) - (2) - July 11, 2005, 10:57:15 AM EDT
                                             You keep forgetting... - (folkert) - (1) - July 11, 2005, 11:45:40 AM EDT
                                                 Okay, I can't help this one, but ROFLMAO!!!!! - (imqwerky) - July 11, 2005, 01:49:31 PM EDT
                                         Still gotta be careful - (imric) - (5) - July 11, 2005, 11:15:07 AM EDT
                                             Black is neutral, Plz-KThnkz! -NT - (folkert) - (4) - July 11, 2005, 11:48:48 AM EDT
                                                 No - black is *supposed* to be neutral - (tuberculosis) - (2) - July 11, 2005, 01:54:41 PM EDT
                                                     Yep. - (admin) - July 11, 2005, 03:41:05 PM EDT
                                                     This is true. - (static) - July 11, 2005, 07:57:48 PM EDT
                                                 Back when I passed the NEC test - (imric) - July 11, 2005, 02:21:19 PM EDT
                                         I know - (imqwerky) - (1) - July 11, 2005, 11:43:52 AM EDT
                                             I'm convinced - (imric) - July 11, 2005, 12:33:15 PM EDT
                                         8 months pregnant? - (Andrew Grygus) - (10) - July 11, 2005, 12:04:10 PM EDT
                                             Or maybe... - (folkert) - (9) - July 11, 2005, 12:20:14 PM EDT
                                                 Amy makes it hard to resist - (ben_tilly) - (8) - July 11, 2005, 12:43:14 PM EDT
                                                     So True. - (folkert) - July 11, 2005, 12:50:15 PM EDT
                                                     Groan - (imqwerky) - (6) - July 11, 2005, 01:57:41 PM EDT
                                                         Save that groan... - (ben_tilly) - July 11, 2005, 02:37:39 PM EDT
                                                         Is admin king of the bad pun? - (imqwerky) - (4) - July 11, 2005, 02:54:10 PM EDT
                                                             Better behave or I'll have to lock you back in the closet! - (ChrisR) - (2) - July 11, 2005, 03:18:43 PM EDT
                                                                 Wrong sponge... - (admin) - July 11, 2005, 03:34:17 PM EDT
                                                                 Oops! - (imqwerky) - July 11, 2005, 05:59:00 PM EDT
                                                             ICLRPD - (ben_tilly) - July 11, 2005, 04:26:10 PM EDT
                 "Friend" huh? - (drewk) - (1) - July 11, 2005, 09:19:45 AM EDT
                     "Good" Friend - (bionerd) - July 11, 2005, 02:33:21 PM EDT
                 You can - (tuberculosis) - (9) - July 11, 2005, 01:55:27 PM EDT
                     Already did that - (bionerd) - (8) - July 11, 2005, 02:39:24 PM EDT
                         If nothing else, the climbing is a good warm-up exercise :) -NT - (Meerkat) - (7) - July 12, 2005, 08:16:04 AM EDT
                             Yeah, until I fall off the dryer and break something else - (bionerd) - (6) - July 12, 2005, 09:39:51 AM EDT
                                 "Haven't you heard? Bumbles bounce!" -NT - (n3jja) - (5) - July 12, 2005, 06:49:26 PM EDT
                                     My stars. - (static) - (4) - July 13, 2005, 12:10:20 AM EDT
                                         That's too easy. - (Another Scott) - (3) - July 13, 2005, 12:15:15 AM EDT
                                             Just put one foot ... in front of ... the oth-er -NT - (drewk) - (2) - July 13, 2005, 09:09:44 AM EDT
                                                 and soon you'll be walking out the door-or-or! - (bionerd) - (1) - July 13, 2005, 09:45:29 AM EDT
                                                     ICLRPD (new thread) - (drewk) - July 13, 2005, 09:57:39 AM EDT

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