Ughh. Can we just drop all this, please?

Post #202,444 by bionerd 4/8/05 9:57:09 AM Reply	Ughh. Can we just drop all this, please? Yes, the banging reference gave me momentary pause, but I'm over it. I too, thought Boxley's response was a load of crap (nice try) but all is forgiven and it's time to let it go. And regarding Barry's post- I read it and thought. "Man, he's really got this sociopath thing nailed. Twisted bastard!" But when I realized he was plagiarizing he got points taken off for lack of creativity. (Sidebar: I dont know why you folks put up with this Norm character for so long, but we can save that discussion for another time) Barry obviously knows me well enough to know his post wouldnt offend. Time to let this one go, as well. Thanks- Laura
Post #202,445 by ChrisR 4/8/05 10:09:05 AM Reply	And here I was wanting to throw my two cents in.... ...but too busy and I've seemingly missed my opportunity. Once again work interferes with my ability to get involved in mindless threads. Damn work!!!
Post #202,446 by Another Scott 4/8/05 10:14:52 AM Reply	:-)
Post #202,462 by folkert 4/8/05 11:37:11 AM Reply	There is a good reason why we put up with him. We have an unofficial policy of not blocking or banning anyone. Well, except I have a large block on China right now. (about 9 million IP Addresses) mainly due to SPAMMING with TONS of e-mail and Twiki Spam. About Norm, he was for quite some time, a contributing member. But, he regressed into a self abusive state and took huge dumps on this forum. Then we started the bitching bac and forth, which caused many longtimers to just leave. Some left after everything settled and couldn't come to terms with certain things. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [link\|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230\|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Military Intelligence"] No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source]
Post #202,478 by Nightowl 4/8/05 1:56:05 PM Reply	My reasons were personal (Sidebar: I dont know why you folks put up with this Norm character for so long, but we can save that discussion for another time) I put up with Norman as long as I did, because he was a personal friend whom I had known since 1988, and lives near me. I watched him deteriorate into this paranoid, schizo person, with suidcidal tendencies, and for over two years I tried everything in my power to remain that friend, to use all resources I had to help him, and to cope with his often abusive behavior towards me. Last year on November 5th, I cracked, or should I say, I exploded... and gave up. I forced Norman out of my group, out of my life, and out of my sphere of responsibility. I could no longer cope with his behavior and how it was affecting me, my family and our friends. Sometimes I regret this decision, as I don't end friendships lightly, but I've had such peace since doing so, it usually serves to remind me it was my only choice to make. He still tries to reach me at times, tries to make comments to others to feed back to me, but I remain unmoved, unwavering, because I have to protect me first, and my family, and he is bad for my health and my sanity. I think the hardest thing I have ever done in my life was turn my back on him. But I also think I should have done it many years ago. I hope that answers the question, at least for me anyway, Bio-nerd. :) Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #202,509 by bionerd 4/8/05 3:52:53 PM Reply	I'm sorry I read some of the old posts but didnt realize you were a long-time friend of his. I hope you didnt think I was being insensitive. From the sound of it, you did the right thing. Dont regret putting your needs first and taking care of yourself. If you dont do it, who will? Right? Stay strong. :-)
Post #202,510 by Nightowl 4/8/05 3:56:18 PM 4/8/05 3:58:16 PM Reply	Re: I'm sorry I read some of the old posts but didnt realize you were a long-time friend of his. I hope you didnt think I was being insensitive. From the sound of it, you did the right thing. Dont regret putting your needs first and taking care of yourself. If you dont do it, who will? Right? Stay strong. :-) I didn't think you were being insensitive at all, honestly. I asked myself the question of why I stayed friends with him and coped with him many many times over the two and a half years... and the main reason was because I was afraid for his young son, now 5 years old, I think, whom he cares for in the daytime. But in the end, it's not my responsibility, and I can't protect his son anyway, so I bowed out. My regret is really that I hurt him, because I did, but I also saw no other way to extriciate myself from the mess he'd made. Thanks, Bionerd. :) Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr Edited by Nightowl April 8, 2005, 03:58:16 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #202,672 by screamer 4/10/05 12:03:05 AM Reply	Is this the FLAME forum or some gdamned group hug? Yo, Nerd, welcome. Yo, Owl, hello again. Yo, both ya all... get a room, would ya? :-) Just a few thoughts, Screamer But take your time, think a lot, Why, think of everything you've got. For you will still be here tomorrow, but your dreams may not. Y. Islam - Father and Son
Post #202,673 by Another Scott 4/10/05 12:04:26 AM Reply	I vote for hug. ;-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #202,686 by admin 4/10/05 8:33:36 AM Reply	Ohhh, I just wanna hugga-wuvva-snugga you-zee scweamzee! Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #202,530 by broomberg 4/8/05 6:35:18 PM Reply	Drop? After that accusation?!?! I plagiarized nothing. That was free form verse. While I have many inspirations in my life, that post was all mine!
Post #202,532 by ben_tilly 4/8/05 6:38:03 PM Reply	Good thing it was yours - nobody else would want it! NOW can we let it drop? Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #202,533 by broomberg 4/8/05 6:40:57 PM Reply	Fine. Be that way.
Post #202,556 by boxley 4/8/05 10:13:44 PM Reply	be that way, bitch, it is flame ya know All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #202,550 by rcareaga 4/8/05 10:02:28 PM 4/8/05 10:03:58 PM Reply	for bionerd: context drawn from sub-primates These prairie fires erupt here periodically, and believe it or not gender is not typically an issue (which should be no surprise given the 3:50 ratio of active members). Think of caged (or not) animals of a single species you've observed, either directly or through the lens of a documentarian, times past: birds, dogs or (for our present purposes) a colony of howler monkeys. Now and again, for reasons that probably make sense to the participants but which mystify the casual onlooker, a quarrel erupts, with much screeching, flailing, posturing and occasional biting and scratching exchanged within the troop. In nature this generally serves to settle dominance heirarchies. Because most of us at IWT have actually shed our tails by now (box will have to drop his drawers before I'm convinced), the dynamics are a little more complex. Times past these contretemps have led to the self-exile of valued members, but most of us are thicker-skinned. Women are a rarity here, but once the friskier members of the troop have settled down you can look forward to attaining the coveted "one of the howler monkeys" status, which is already yours in the eyes of those of us, ahem, of breeding and discernment. cordially, [edit: typo] Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist. Edited by rcareaga April 8, 2005, 10:03:58 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #202,551 by ben_tilly 4/8/05 10:04:15 PM Reply	You just admitted to being a well-bred howler monkey? I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #202,574 by rcareaga 4/8/05 11:52:50 PM Reply	This has long been a gibbon, I mean, given. brachiatingly, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Post #202,557 by boxley 4/8/05 10:16:08 PM Reply	well, lets just say dont accidently backup into my ass :-) All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #202,607 by Nightowl 4/9/05 11:07:43 AM Reply	Hmmm I thought I was a "Howler Owl." ;) Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr

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