Police are supposed to have guns

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in a culture that isn't awash in firearms, like mine.

If you have a gun, you have to have a license. You also have to store them in a safe in your house, and carrying is extremely limited, usually to a locked box in the trunk of your car on a route directly between your house and a duly registered range, or (in the case of a policeman) between their home and work.

Most of the time, they're left at work.

Of course, this isn't foolproof. However, looking at the rates of gun deaths, both accidental and intentional, in our two countries is pretty instructive, when you remember that getting a gun is quite difficult almost everywhere in Canada. For example, including the time I spent in cadets, I've seen maybe a few dozen guns in my entire life, and have handled three or four. Not including guns on policemen and armoured car security, I've seen exactly one handgun "in the flesh" as it were. Even if I wanted to shoot somebody, it would be pretty difficult for me to get a gun to do it here. I'd have to go to upper NY state and try to sneak one over the border.

Post #200,370 by jake123 3/24/05 5:31:45 PM Reply	Police are supposed to have guns when they're working. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #200,373 by Nightowl 3/24/05 5:34:10 PM Reply	So tell me... Where do they put them then, when off duty? Usually locked up at home. I never heard of a station allowing you to lock up your weapon as you leave. Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #200,378 by jake123 3/24/05 5:52:12 PM Reply	Yeah, but you live in the US it really is different there from almost anywhere else... up here, if a cop is carrying off duty, they can get arrested. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #200,381 by Nightowl 3/24/05 6:02:49 PM Reply	Does carrying including storing? Are you saying where you are they are allowed to leave the guns at work? Not a bad idea, but unfortunately then off duty police here would be vulnerable to people gunning for them. But I agree, we need a better solution. Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #200,383 by jake123 3/24/05 6:13:20 PM Reply	Not a lot of people gunning in a culture that isn't awash in firearms, like mine. If you have a gun, you have to have a license. You also have to store them in a safe in your house, and carrying is extremely limited, usually to a locked box in the trunk of your car on a route directly between your house and a duly registered range, or (in the case of a policeman) between their home and work. Most of the time, they're left at work. Of course, this isn't foolproof. However, looking at the rates of gun deaths, both accidental and intentional, in our two countries is pretty instructive, when you remember that getting a gun is quite difficult almost everywhere in Canada. For example, including the time I spent in cadets, I've seen maybe a few dozen guns in my entire life, and have handled three or four. Not including guns on policemen and armoured car security, I've seen exactly one handgun "in the flesh" as it were. Even if I wanted to shoot somebody, it would be pretty difficult for me to get a gun to do it here. I'd have to go to upper NY state and try to sneak one over the border. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #200,386 by Nightowl 3/24/05 6:27:06 PM Reply	Thanks for explaining that I don't think that's ever been an option here. Even when my ex was a security guard, learning to shoot, he had to bring the gun back to the house. Of course it had to be locked in a lockbox, and it even had a trigger guard, but that doesn't stop someone who's determined. Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #200,403 by boxley 3/24/05 8:42:25 PM Reply	go down to verdun and get one in the 70's could buy an ak47 full auto there for 500 canadian. The same year monteal was the armed robbery capital of the world. Im sure the "hells" donthave licenses for their firearms. I know places In toronto, Hamilton Winnepeg and Vancouver where you still can get guns. thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #200,408 by jake123 3/24/05 9:05:26 PM Reply	Hey box, I've not been in Mtl for over two years now and it's true that if I really wanted to get one, I could get a gun here in Kingston. It still wouldn't be easy, and it would be quite expensive. Further, the likelihood of finding a gun in a random house is vanishingly small here, and extremely rare even in Verdun. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #200,903 by Steven A S 3/28/05 1:43:03 PM Reply	In the military at least in the Air Force, the Security Forces folks (police in the air force) keep their weapons locked in an armory when they're not actively on patrol. In fact, they urge anybody living on base to put their weapons in the armory as well (airmen in the dorms aren't given a choice, they have to) ~~~)-Steven---- "I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..." General George S. Patton

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