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New Why should the guns have been locked?
He's not a "kiddie". He was 16. His grandfather didn't suspect anything. .22 are common. Shot grandfather with .22 then stole police revolver. So if revolver is locked up, all he needed to do was steal key first. Since this looks like a planned event, what's to prevent 16yo from stabbing grandfather to get key if guns are locked.

Ya lock up the guns to prevent young kids from accidentally shooting themselves. WOn't stop a older teen or another adult for gaining access to them.

Also, put this enormity of the event into perspective. Total population of the city is ~5000. That's .2% of the population. In the TC metro that would be the same as killing 6000 or 38500 in NYC. Even OBL didn't hit that rate.

Give the anti gun crap a break. Pray for/tink about/feel for the entire community involved. Yeah, it's "local" (~200mi north), and no, I don't know anyone involved.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
Collapse Edited by jbrabeck March 23, 2005, 08:26:14 AM EST
Why should the guns have been locked?
He's not a "kiddie". He was 16. His grandfather didn't suspect anything. .22 are common. Shot grandfather with .22 then stole police revolver. So if revolver is locked up, all he needed to do was steal key first. Since this looks like a planned event, what's to prevent 16yo from stabbing grandfather to get key if guns are locked.

Ya lock up the guns to prevent young kids from accidentally shooting themselves. WOn't stop a older teen or another adult for gaining access to them.

Also, put this enormity of the event into perspective. Total population of the city is ~5000. That's .2% of the population. In the TC metro that would be the same as killing 6000 or 36500 in NYC. Even OBL didn't hit that rate.

Give the anti gun crap a break. Pray for/tink about/feel for the entire community involved. Yeah, it's "local" (~200mi north), and no, I don't know anyone involved.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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New I'll give ya that one
You have to start trusting 16 year olds with dangerous devices and being weird and anti-social isn't enough to deny access.
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But we must kill them. We must incinerate them. Pig after pig, cow after cow, village after village, army after army. And they call me an assassin. What do you call it when the assassins accuse the assassin? They lie. They lie and we must be merciful to those who lie.
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     Another school shooting? - (warmachine) - (69)
         The grandfather was a policeman. - (Another Scott)
         Generally by the handgrips or stock -NT - (drewk)
         birthday presents when they are 8 years old? - (boxley) - (9)
             Aren't guns locked up so kiddies can't get them? -NT - (warmachine) - (8)
                 Ah, but guns don't kill people, remember. -NT - (pwhysall) - (3)
                     But They ARE consistent: They have LOTS of people locked up. -NT - (CRConrad) - (2)
                         But it's The Land Of The Free(TM)(R)! -NT - (pwhysall) - (1)
                             Yah, well, I'll bet the locked-up ones don't Own much land.. -NT - (CRConrad)
                 Why should the guns have been locked? - (jbrabeck) - (2)
                     met folks from that rez, small community, sux -NT - (boxley)
                     I'll give ya that one - (warmachine)
                 what good is a gun if you cant get to them? - (boxley)
         Who cares? He was just a redskin - (drewk) - (50)
             Without video, TV doesn't care. With video, it's everywhere. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                 Here's the real reason for less coverage - (Nightowl)
             We have the coverage here - (jbrabeck) - (46)
                 Did you *really* not get the sarcasm? -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                     No, I got it - (jbrabeck)
                 Ditto here - (Nightowl) - (13)
                     Where? - (jbrabeck) - (12)
                         All I know is what I heard - (Nightowl) - (11)
                             Use the links in previous post - (jbrabeck) - (10)
                                 I can read the Tribune - (Nightowl) - (9)
                                     Hindsight - (jbrabeck) - (7)
                                         Re: Hindsight - (Nightowl) - (5)
                                             I wear size 14 steelies... - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                                 Appearances - (Nightowl) - (3)
                                                     Re: Appearances - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                                         Whatever - (Nightowl) - (1)
                                                             ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly)
                                         Here's some more links - (Nightowl)
                                     look at the suicide rates of native teens vs others - (boxley)
                 Darn right it's an American problem - (bionerd) - (29)
                     Strays OFF the path of normalcy? - (ben_tilly)
                     How old are your kids? - (jbrabeck) - (27)
                         You said it - (Nightowl) - (25)
                             There's a much simpler solution - (jake123) - (24)
                                 Re: There's a much simpler solution - (Nightowl) - (22)
                                     Good lord - (jake123) - (21)
                                         How could that have been accomplished - (Nightowl) - (9)
                                             Police are supposed to have guns - (jake123) - (8)
                                                 So tell me... - (Nightowl) - (7)
                                                     Yeah, but you live in the US - (jake123) - (5)
                                                         Does carrying including storing? - (Nightowl) - (4)
                                                             Not a lot of people gunning - (jake123) - (3)
                                                                 Thanks for explaining that - (Nightowl)
                                                                 go down to verdun and get one - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                     Hey box, I've not been in Mtl for over two years now - (jake123)
                                                     In the military - (Steven A S)
                                         Step 1: take an axe to police officer... -NT - (Arkadiy) - (10)
                                             Step 2: be restrained by said officer's partner. -NT - (jake123) - (9)
                                                 Ideally, yes. But it only takes one lucky malcontent - (Arkadiy) - (8)
                                                     Besides - (Nightowl) - (7)
                                                         Holy geez, try to keep up - (jake123) - (6)
                                                             I'm trying - (Nightowl) - (2)
                                                                 Nah, I'm sorry - (jake123) - (1)
                                                                     No problem - (Nightowl)
                                                             Re: Holy geez, try to keep up - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                                 The Binary option? -NT - (jb4)
                                                             I meant that the perp needs to get lucky against a cop - (Arkadiy)
                                 last weekin atlanta one guy in jail kills 4 people - (boxley)
                         Re: How old are your kids? - (bionerd)
             yea, fox news is already jumping on that bandwagon - (daemon)
         Some editorials from the local newpaper - (jbrabeck)
         Question about the Tribal Chairman's comments - (drewk) - (2)
             He may mean - (jbrabeck)
             much darker,inflicted by a full blood (appearing) - (boxley)
         Checkout the flash - (broomberg) - (1)
             there is the root cause, listening to John Lennon tunes - (boxley)

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