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New What is the correct way to install crown molding?
I say miter the corners and you're done. Now everyone tells me I need to cope the corners. Why? And how?
"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
New It is all about....
the gap.

Inside corners are flush cut to the exact length needed (to the wall), then the butting side is coped to match the outline.

Outside corners are mitred both sides and then slightly coped for the "Really Hard and Sharp" corner.

These details make all the difference in a job done well and a well done job.

Coping mean you cut the wood back from the edge on the back side. This allows the wood to be "jammed" in a bit and making it look really nice.

Coping is sort of like sharpening a piece of wood to the molding outline, though not at a very acute angle... prolly 70 vs 45 degrees.

And the gaps should never show up if properly done.
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New Ah, so that's what a coping saw is for.
Never encountered that because I prefer sharp unadecorated intersections among walls and ceilings. Walls and ceilings are, of course, painted the purest white - high gloss white for kitchen and bath, semi-gloss for living areas (I don't do mat nothin', it dirties quickly and doesn't wash well).

I may compromise a little next time I do the bedroom since I've been told women are more comfortable with tints.

I sympathize completely with the Art Nouveau architect who was invited by a wealthy family to "modernize" their Victorian digs. He took a quick look around, then told them, "Strip everything out. Paint the walls and ceilings white, then call me and we'll talk".
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New That and little candle light never hurts...
I may compromise a little next time I do the bedroom since I've been told women are more comfortable with tints.
"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
New Nah, Andrew will use the charcoal-fired cooker
He likes cooking with an open flame on the table. Probably makes for nice atmosfear.
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New Her wide eyes inspired the giant portholes, I'll bet. ;-)
New Some have been awed by my use of a butane blowtorch . . .
. . as a standard kitchen tool. Cookbooks describe many ways to peel chili and bell peppers but none mention using a roaring blowtorch. Unfortunately that's the only method that actually works (and it's a lot more fun than their ineffective methods anyway).
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New Can't do - the lamps hang too low over the table

[image|http://www.aaxnet.com/ajg/table12.jpg||||]

Besides, I'm alergic to carbon monoxide, so the charcoal cookers stay outside by the ox roasting pit.

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New This Old House has an article on it.
[link|http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/knowhow/handbook/article/0,16417,1016651,00.html|Here] (you need to be a subscriber):

Installing crown molding, however, is a task that strikes fear in the heart of every amateur carpenter \ufffd and even some pros. Because it sits at an angle on the wall, each joint is made of compound angles. Getting it right requires a lot of patience, an aptitude for spatial relations, and a few tricks from an experienced pro.

[...]

He [Tom Sliva] also doesn't lay the molding flat to cut it. Cutting crown flat, though it might seem easier, requires a saw that lets you tilt the blade (for the bevel) and rotate it (for the miter angle). You also need a set of tables to know the correct angles for the cuts.

Instead, Tom uses a simple power miter saw and arranges the material so it sits against the saw fence at the same angle it will be nailed to the wall. Although the molding has to be upside down in this method, a simple downward cut of the blade set at 45 degrees produces the perfect miter and bevel at once, as you'll see.

[...]

Inside corners are composed of a square-cut piece that butts the corner, and a corresponding piece that\ufffds cut on an angle and coped (carefully cut along the molding\ufffds profile) to conform to the first piece.

[...]

* Highlight the very edge of the cut, along the profiled front of the molding, with a pencil.
* Next, using a coping saw, cut away the bevel. Angle the coping saw blade toward the rear about 5 degrees \ufffd a technique known as back beveling \ufffd and carefully follow the molding profile as you cut (above). Use the miter saw table to brace the workpiece when cutting.


It's not for the faint-of-heart. There are types of crown molding that don't require complicated cuts, they use various box elements to ease some of the installation to eliminate the coping, etc. Lowes and Home Depot carry the things. But they're not cheap either.

HTH a bit.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Thanks to both of you
I'm working with inside corners only. Your info helped.
And when all else fails, whip out the spackling paste. Hope I can avoid using it, though.
"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
New Find a carpenter and ply him with ... something
I've found it quite handy to know tradespeople running Windows boxes and using AOL. I clean them and install some anti-scumware stuff, they come work on my house.
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New Barter system difficult in my line of work
Not too many people need things dissected. Might have to resort to my feminine charm and free booze.
"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
New That plan may be workable but...
your knowledge is worth something. You could trade a few hours of carpentry in return for a few hours of tutoring someone's kids. Or taking a family for a museum tour.

Edit: Of course the plan you proposed addresses your "no sex" complaint about being single. :-P

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Expand Edited by ben_tilly Feb. 21, 2005, 12:44:55 PM EST
New So I talk to my neighbor Jimmy..
Me: Hey Jimmy, how'd you like to help me put up some crown molding? I'll take your kids to the museum for the day in exhange for your time.

Jimmy: Yeah, right. I dont touch crown molding.

Me: Ummm, how 'bout free booze and sex?

Jimmy: Okay, but I'm still not touching your crown molding.

So I have one problem solved. ;-).

Seriously, once my foot is healed up I think I'll just try it myself. And I'll let you all know the day I start the installation so when you hear me screaming "FUCK FUCK FUCK!!" you wont be alarmed.
"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
New Heh
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New This one has Pep! and Bite!
I think she gets to stay.

She gives us all a hard time. Also portrays an image that is not quite right. She fits right in!

Yes, I am talking third person about you, so what are you gonna do? dissect me? HA!
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[link|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Military Intelligence"]
No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
New Can anyone cart her off to Beeps? Please?
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New The wagon train goes right past her place.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Does she play dimes?
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New Why dont you asked her if she is inclined to be carted off?
"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
New Basically...
Follow Todd's link.

I'd be inclined to think you are welcome on the caravan. Of course, if you can't stand loud, obnoxious, talks a lot people, we will have to leave Drew at home and maybe Yendor (Mike) too.

We are all different shapes and sizes, so don't be alarmed at Mike (Yendor), he just sounds mean. Scott (admin), he has a hard time not laughing, Drew (Drewk), he just sleeps in the back and we jam the brakes on and go into the rumbles strips... to make him, well snap to...

Of course, when you get to New Jersey, there is a whole nuther world to deal with.

Since July 4th is on a Monday this year, and the Party will be on July 2nd, We will be able to leave leisurely on Sunday from New Joisy.


Of course, you may not want to spend 2+ days in a care with us.
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[link|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Military Intelligence"]
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New Good question
Are you inclined to be carted off to an enjoyable party with lots of free alcohol, an interesting mix of people, and a nice pool to cool off in if you're so inclined? I'm not sure what provisions are convenient to make for your children (you might have to transport them separately), but if they came they would have a pretty big crowd of other kids of various ages to play with. (And would likely not be the only kids who travelled a long way to be there.)

I wanted to establish that transportation would not be an issue before asking, but since that has been established, consider yourself asked.

There is no need to decide now, a final answer can wait until sometime in June. :-)

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Thank you for the lovely invitation
Let's see how well I get along with you guys between now and then before I jump into van with the lot of you!! Also depends on work schedule, kids and the other mundane activities of daily living. Will let you know....
"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
New No problem
There's no hurry in deciding. If you decide to go, the more the merrier. If not, then there's always next year.

In fact I'm not entirely sure that I can make it this year (if I miss, it will be the first time in several years).

Cheers,
Ben
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New :-(
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Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New How could you possibly miss
a Peter vs Greg match?
New A what?
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New You just become illiterate?
New Quarters or GTA-SA or ...?
New Outlook vs GW
New In the Cage of Death?
New WITH LARGE FOAM BATS!
Standing on inner tubes!

In the pool!

OK, several for Greg!
Regards,

-scott anderson

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New :-)
New Size 13 steelies vs sweaty, hairy man-boobs
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New Certainly not by choice!
Negotiations about baby care are, alas, not entirely under my control. :-(

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Whoa!!!!!
As you have pointed out, so many times, it is ALWAYS by choice.
No matter what the decision or the outcome, you judge and choose.
You may not like the situation you are in, or the fact you have to choose, but that has nothing to do with the fact it still is a choice.
New Wait...
...you mean a being with free will could *decide* to limit his or her immediate choices in order to obtain longer-term benefits?

Wow.
New Zing!


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New True, true
The party is less important to me than my son's care.

Cheers,
Ben
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New Hate to say 'I told you so', but ...
No wait, I love to say it!

When Peter and I said that, due to family considerations, there were certin options that simply weren't possible choices, you were pretty insistent that there was always a choice. IIRC Peter said to see how you feel about it when you have kids of your own. Doesn't seem to have taken long before you're saying that your actions are "Certainly not by choice!"

I'll give you a few years to come to terms with the fact that you'll start saying things to your child you swore you never would. Welcome to the club! :-)
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New I'm still insistent that there is a choice
I'm also clear on what my priorities are.

Cheers,
Ben
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New Perfectly good choice
If the party affects your son's care in a detrimental way, of course you would choose your son over the party.

But now I'm trying to understand how this affect would happen.

Hmm.

Loss of father over a 2 day period.

Something tells me it won't hurt him emotionally or physically, but for all I know you've been the primary care giver, have taken him with you to work every day, and he is so superadvanced (he is YOUR son, ya know) that he's reached the development stage where separation anxiety is an issue.

Party in early July, SETI born in late November, SETI will be about 6.5 months old. Since self-awareness usually kicks in between 8-11 months, I guess it is possible.

What else?

Lack of trust of non-parent caregivers? After all, your wife is a very busy person, which means you guy juggle the care time. If you have no fall-back for someone else doing it, could be an issue. I know I trusted NO ONE with my kids other than Barb and myself for the longest time.

Cost - you make so little that the cost of the trip will cause a balancing act to fail, robbing your child of his food, shelter, and finally his college fund. Hey, if that's the case, I'm sure we could kick in for airfare. ;-}

Lack of stability of spousal unit. Since you never said a bad word about a crazy wife, I doubt that is it.

OK, I don't see it. Maybe there is some indirect aspect of SETI's care that the party will affect.
New Some points that you're missing
That's the first week that my wife goes back to work. She may well need a break.

That is likely to directly follow a move to a different city, probably across the country. In which case we'll still be in boxes and won't have local friends.

We'll likely still be figuring out child care.

If Sam wasn't part of the picture, I'd have no problem with going anyways. But enough other factors are present that I may indeed be needed to take care of him.

Cheers,
Ben
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New Cross country?
But not sure yet?
Tough time, obviously can't make any real plans since so much is open.
New Depends on where my wife gets a residency
And yes, it does make it hard to plan.

Cheers,
Ben
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New bring the kid
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New Not without my wife...
aka "the food supply" and she might wind up on the other side of the continent working the previous day. Plus she has no attachment to beeps party.

Cheers,
Ben
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New Bad option anyway
Infants should not fly unless truly required.
Inability to equalize ear pressure leads to a real possibility of ear damage.
Very scary stuff.
New Yeah
And the rest of the passengers on the flight have to listen to a screaming infant for hours!

Give the poor guy a break. He's a new Daddy. It's hard work.
"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
New Too late
This boy has already flown from LA to Boston to Chicago to Indiana to Chicago to LA to Boston to LA. And was an awesome traveller.

We knew about the pressure thing and dealt with it. He travelled well.

Cheers,
Ben
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New link, portable food supply
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New I was reminded of Hannibal Lector when I read that
you'll be dissected and served up with fava beans.
"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
New What they're trying to do (new thread)
Created as new thread #195948 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=195948|What they're trying to do]



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Molding first, booze after</mad hatter>
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New Measure once, cut twice



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Oh *at least* twice ... if you're good you can get 3 or 4
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New Quick, run to Home Depot and buy me a board stretcher
New Crown molding?
Wossat in English English?


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New Wooden trim at the top of the wall
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New Ah.
Over here it's called "coving" and it's usually made out of lightweight plaster stuff.

But I bet it looks the same when painted.


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New Best way? Pay a professional.
Either that or be prepared to eat the cost of a lot of mistakes if trying it on our own till you get it right.
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New That's cheating.
Now I'm not saying I'm above hiring a professional and watching carefully exactly how he does the job so I don't have to hire one next time, but generally not being in a hurry and thinking about it for a while and examining finished work (or observing professionals other people have hired) will suffice.
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Expand Edited by Andrew Grygus Feb. 21, 2005, 10:28:52 PM EST
     What is the correct way to install crown molding? - (bionerd) - (61)
         It is all about.... - (folkert) - (6)
             Ah, so that's what a coping saw is for. - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                 That and little candle light never hurts... - (bionerd) - (4)
                     Nah, Andrew will use the charcoal-fired cooker - (drewk) - (3)
                         Her wide eyes inspired the giant portholes, I'll bet. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                             Some have been awed by my use of a butane blowtorch . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                         Can't do - the lamps hang too low over the table - (Andrew Grygus)
         This Old House has an article on it. - (Another Scott) - (1)
             Thanks to both of you - (bionerd)
         Find a carpenter and ply him with ... something - (drewk) - (43)
             Barter system difficult in my line of work - (bionerd) - (42)
                 That plan may be workable but... - (ben_tilly) - (40)
                     So I talk to my neighbor Jimmy.. - (bionerd) - (39)
                         Heh -NT - (ben_tilly)
                         This one has Pep! and Bite! - (folkert) - (36)
                             Can anyone cart her off to Beeps? Please? -NT - (ben_tilly) - (34)
                                 The wagon train goes right past her place. -NT - (admin) - (1)
                                     Does she play dimes? -NT - (drewk)
                                 Why dont you asked her if she is inclined to be carted off? -NT - (bionerd) - (31)
                                     Basically... - (folkert)
                                     Good question - (ben_tilly) - (29)
                                         Thank you for the lovely invitation - (bionerd) - (28)
                                             No problem - (ben_tilly) - (27)
                                                 :-( -NT - (imric)
                                                 How could you possibly miss - (broomberg) - (25)
                                                     A what? -NT - (folkert) - (1)
                                                         You just become illiterate? -NT - (broomberg)
                                                     Quarters or GTA-SA or ...? -NT - (Another Scott) - (5)
                                                         Outlook vs GW -NT - (broomberg) - (4)
                                                             In the Cage of Death? -NT - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                 WITH LARGE FOAM BATS! - (admin) - (1)
                                                                     :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                             Size 13 steelies vs sweaty, hairy man-boobs -NT - (drewk)
                                                     Certainly not by choice! - (ben_tilly) - (16)
                                                         Whoa!!!!! - (broomberg) - (9)
                                                             Wait... - (FuManChu)
                                                             Zing! -NT - (pwhysall)
                                                             True, true - (ben_tilly) - (6)
                                                                 Hate to say 'I told you so', but ... - (drewk) - (1)
                                                                     I'm still insistent that there is a choice - (ben_tilly)
                                                                 Perfectly good choice - (broomberg) - (3)
                                                                     Some points that you're missing - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                                                         Cross country? - (broomberg) - (1)
                                                                             Depends on where my wife gets a residency - (ben_tilly)
                                                         bring the kid -NT - (boxley) - (5)
                                                             Not without my wife... - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                                                 Bad option anyway - (broomberg) - (2)
                                                                     Yeah - (bionerd)
                                                                     Too late - (ben_tilly)
                                                                 link, portable food supply - (boxley)
                             I was reminded of Hannibal Lector when I read that - (bionerd)
                         What they're trying to do (new thread) - (tuberculosis)
                 Molding first, booze after</mad hatter> -NT - (drewk)
         Measure once, cut twice -NT - (tuberculosis) - (2)
             Oh *at least* twice ... if you're good you can get 3 or 4 -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                 Quick, run to Home Depot and buy me a board stretcher -NT - (FuManChu)
         Crown molding? - (pwhysall) - (2)
             Wooden trim at the top of the wall -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                 Ah. - (pwhysall)
         Best way? Pay a professional. - (Silverlock) - (1)
             That's cheating. - (Andrew Grygus)

A vampire walrus would look just like a regular walrus.
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