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Post #1,887

by static

7/16/01 8:12:49 AM

Curious and yet familiar, all the same.

Looking over that page, I'm reminded of a quote from C. S. Lewis:

"A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said wouldn't be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on the level with a man who says he's a poached egg - or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this was, and is, the Son of God: or else a mad man or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that alternative open to us. He did not intend to."

("Mere Christianity", book II - What Christians Believe, chapter 3 - The Shocking Alternative, paragraph 13b.)

Wade.

"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"

Post #1,889

by Fearless Freep

7/16/01 8:25:28 AM

"Either God or a Bad Man" ...

...is the summation of that argument, and it predates C.S. Lewis by several centuries, although I think he popularized and explored it

Jay O'Connor

"Going places unmapped
to do things unplanned
to people unsuspecting"

Jefferson Bible [Fixed] - (JayMehaffey) - (95) - July 15, 2001, 04:39:57 PM EDT

Please edit link - it's not working. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - July 15, 2001, 01:03:04 PM EDT

The NT according to Ox - (boxley) - (91) - July 15, 2001, 11:36:54 PM EDT

At last - a useable translation! - (Ashton) - (90) - July 16, 2001, 01:48:03 AM EDT

that part was always hard to figure - (boxley) - (89) - July 16, 2001, 08:25:31 AM EDT

Query. - (static) - (87) - July 16, 2001, 08:43:55 AM EDT

Long thread on slezyboard - (boxley) - (86) - July 16, 2001, 10:34:08 AM EDT

Ah. Thanks. -NT - (static) - (85) - July 16, 2001, 09:39:20 PM EDT

heres the part Paul was not born a Jew - (boxley) - (84) - July 16, 2001, 09:58:30 PM EDT

Don't take it completely out of isolation. - (static) - (8) - July 16, 2001, 10:21:57 PM EDT

not to steal Nicks arg but - (boxley) - (4) - July 16, 2001, 10:50:23 PM EDT

Clearly you do not accept Paul's authority. - (static) - (3) - July 17, 2001, 02:10:37 AM EDT

I dont - (boxley) - (2) - July 17, 2001, 10:00:36 AM EDT

But you didn't answer my question. - (static) - (1) - July 17, 2001, 08:56:55 PM EDT

sorry missed the question - (boxley) - July 17, 2001, 11:14:21 PM EDT

More info for you on Paul - (orion) - (2) - July 19, 2001, 05:27:32 PM EDT

Interesting excerpts. Thanks. -NT - (static) - (1) - July 19, 2001, 09:30:50 PM EDT

You are most welcome - (orion) - July 20, 2001, 10:40:30 AM EDT

Bad example - (Fearless Freep) - (74) - July 17, 2001, 01:51:34 PM EDT

Spiritiual Jews? - (orion) - (73) - July 17, 2001, 05:44:43 PM EDT

Just multiply 'your take' by the total number - (Ashton) - July 17, 2001, 07:31:07 PM EDT

Doesn't to me - (Fearless Freep) - (71) - July 17, 2001, 07:48:12 PM EDT

Part of the reason is that we have been - (boxley) - (70) - July 17, 2001, 08:20:10 PM EDT

I agree somewhat - (orion) - (61) - July 18, 2001, 10:43:35 AM EDT

Practically speaking - (Fearless Freep) - July 18, 2001, 11:13:57 AM EDT

Misread - (Fearless Freep) - (9) - July 18, 2001, 11:21:35 AM EDT

slight disagreement - (boxley) - (8) - July 18, 2001, 12:49:35 PM EDT

Don't agree - (Fearless Freep) - (7) - July 18, 2001, 01:00:07 PM EDT

he claimed he was G_d? - (boxley) - (6) - July 18, 2001, 01:48:13 PM EDT

Sure - (Fearless Freep) - (4) - July 18, 2001, 02:25:20 PM EDT

that was chuck's favorite phrase too. - (boxley) - (3) - July 18, 2001, 04:20:11 PM EDT

Pretty far fetched - (Fearless Freep) - (2) - July 18, 2001, 04:47:03 PM EDT

ya dont know too many mystics do ya - (boxley) - (1) - July 18, 2001, 09:37:34 PM EDT

Back on track? - (Fearless Freep) - July 18, 2001, 10:26:42 PM EDT

Re: he claimed he was G_d? - (Fearless Freep) - July 18, 2001, 02:34:41 PM EDT

this might clear up a few misconceptions - (boxley) - (49) - July 18, 2001, 12:46:43 PM EDT

Huh? - (Fearless Freep) - (48) - July 18, 2001, 01:05:13 PM EDT

sorry I was to terse in prior post - (boxley) - (47) - July 18, 2001, 01:57:07 PM EDT

How will you know a true messiah? - (orion) - (1) - July 18, 2001, 04:40:07 PM EDT

Re: How will you know a true messiah? - (bluke) - Aug. 23, 2001, 06:50:23 AM EDT

Re: sorry I was to terse in prior post - (Fearless Freep) - (44) - July 18, 2001, 04:50:10 PM EDT

When you are skeptical of anyone - (orion) - (16) - July 18, 2001, 05:21:22 PM EDT

"The Dwarves are for the Dwarves" - (Fearless Freep) - July 18, 2001, 05:26:20 PM EDT

easy stuff - (boxley) - (14) - July 18, 2001, 09:43:29 PM EDT

So um.... :) - (Fearless Freep) - (13) - July 18, 2001, 11:12:08 PM EDT

need all of them and be decended from David - (boxley) - (11) - July 19, 2001, 08:50:51 AM EDT

Re: need all of them and be decended from David - (Fearless Freep) - (10) - July 19, 2001, 01:37:18 PM EDT

no problemo - (boxley) - (5) - July 19, 2001, 02:48:57 PM EDT

Jesus is supposed to come back - (orion) - (4) - July 19, 2001, 04:32:40 PM EDT

If you look at every religion - (boxley) - (3) - July 20, 2001, 08:49:57 AM EDT

Sorry but... - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - July 20, 2001, 10:38:14 AM EDT

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions - (orion) - July 20, 2001, 01:33:17 PM EDT

This is the way it is in the world - (orion) - July 20, 2001, 01:26:38 PM EDT

Re: need all of them and be decended from David - (bluke) - (3) - Aug. 23, 2001, 06:57:40 AM EDT

Re: need all of them and be decended from David - (Fearless Freep) - (2) - Aug. 23, 2001, 01:35:12 PM EDT

With all due respect... - (bluke) - (1) - Aug. 26, 2001, 03:18:16 AM EDT

Nonsense. - (addison) - Aug. 27, 2001, 01:25:05 AM EDT

What is the basis for the Second Coming? - (bluke) - Aug. 23, 2001, 07:02:40 AM EDT

thats not the problem - (boxley) - (26) - July 18, 2001, 09:45:37 PM EDT

Ah. - (static) - (25) - July 19, 2001, 01:51:09 AM EDT

No I believe he rose from the dead - (boxley) - (24) - July 19, 2001, 08:53:13 AM EDT

At least you believe that - (orion) - (1) - July 19, 2001, 10:56:23 AM EDT

like elijah and moses - (boxley) - July 19, 2001, 12:31:14 PM EDT

Huh? - (Fearless Freep) - (4) - July 19, 2001, 01:48:54 PM EDT

my bad I was thinking of Elijah and assumed moses - (boxley) - (3) - July 19, 2001, 02:55:00 PM EDT

In the NT, Jesus spoke with both of them - (orion) - (2) - July 19, 2001, 04:35:46 PM EDT

Re: In the NT, Jesus spoke with both of them - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - July 19, 2001, 04:51:12 PM EDT

Conference call with Moses and Elijah - (orion) - July 19, 2001, 05:04:51 PM EDT

Uh. Right. - (static) - (16) - July 19, 2001, 09:27:30 PM EDT

The Brothers Karamazov covers aspects of this too... :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - July 19, 2001, 11:24:49 PM EDT

question - (boxley) - (14) - July 20, 2001, 10:39:34 AM EDT

Re: question - (Fearless Freep) - (12) - July 20, 2001, 10:48:59 AM EDT

the law that G_d handed down - (boxley) - (11) - July 20, 2001, 11:35:54 AM EDT

Also don't forget - (orion) - (2) - July 20, 2001, 01:37:42 PM EDT

not new but went back home -m -NT - (boxley) - (1) - July 20, 2001, 02:03:05 PM EDT

Went back home - (orion) - July 20, 2001, 04:18:30 PM EDT

Sorry - (Fearless Freep) - (7) - July 20, 2001, 07:16:04 PM EDT

Amen to that! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - July 20, 2001, 09:15:07 PM EDT

kinda sorta this is what I was looking for - (boxley) - (5) - July 20, 2001, 10:54:06 PM EDT

Good advice for anyone IMO - (Steve Lowe) - July 21, 2001, 01:15:03 AM EDT

That's the problem - (Fearless Freep) - (3) - July 21, 2001, 02:15:28 AM EDT

must have missed something - (boxley) - (2) - July 21, 2001, 09:32:12 PM EDT

Some links. - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 22, 2001, 12:59:34 PM EDT

I see he was foretelling his resurection - (boxley) - July 22, 2001, 07:44:10 PM EDT

Answer. - (static) - July 21, 2001, 02:34:27 AM EDT

Nope - (Fearless Freep) - (7) - July 18, 2001, 11:11:35 AM EDT

Well, that's the general human condition - (mhuber) - (6) - July 18, 2001, 11:54:34 AM EDT

Trivial - (Fearless Freep) - (5) - July 18, 2001, 12:00:23 PM EDT

hey Im a miracle! -NT - (boxley) - (3) - July 18, 2001, 12:37:36 PM EDT

So am I then. - (orion) - (2) - July 18, 2001, 04:45:30 PM EDT

Then in truth - (Ashton) - (1) - July 18, 2001, 10:42:52 PM EDT

I get what life and G_d gives me - (orion) - July 19, 2001, 11:05:06 AM EDT

Heh.. nicely put :-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - July 18, 2001, 03:35:53 PM EDT

Re: that part was always hard to figure - (Fearless Freep) - July 16, 2001, 08:59:47 AM EDT

Curious and yet familiar, all the same. - (static) - (1) - July 16, 2001, 08:12:49 AM EDT

"Either God or a Bad Man" ... - (Fearless Freep) - July 16, 2001, 08:25:28 AM EDT

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