Post #12,925
10/11/01 2:00:59 PM
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I don't get it, Dan
..why you might think an apology is due DR? - one who is constitutionally unable to apologize after.. whatever excess.
Also one so disdainful of 'noticing someone else' - as to miss your alias. When you are self-preoccupied to distraction, you don't tend to take the trouble of noticing the nuances within messages - in words (or in person, usually?)
Hell, I thought 'twas you, shortly after your first New post; pretty sure by second.. memes? style? POV? (no reason to blab, natch - everybody doesn't have to know everything). But then, I was looking.
Don't mistake my POV either - I believe DR has a finely honed intellect, and I've been around lots of large intellects in my time. Should he ever find it important enough to bring his social awareness up to nominal levels - he may even get the chance to do something useful with it. I make allowances for his lack; he's hardly alone in that uneven development - it often goes with the territory. (You shoulda seen what the grandson of George Cantor [of Aleph- fame] was like - he was my roommate .. for One term only - even though I was pretty much an asshole too, still..)
But there's a limit to how often you want a friend's visiting prodigy offspring.. peeing in your piranha pool. Alas, I see little improvement since his last demonstration of ineptness in the common courtesy of every society.
Sorry to intrude in a 1:1 exchange - but I wrote my reply to DR before seeing your message. Knowing what little I know - I don't see that you 'owe Him', but quite -
Ashton
fools rush in
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Post #12,951
10/11/01 2:59:49 PM
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I think you do know...
When I'm after making a "point" I can be as tenacious as a ferret (pitbull?). Most here can be. As you mention in your following post, "what is the purpose of debate"? It is my wish to be able to "enlighten" but I'm really here to become enlightened as well. Probably much like a songwriter bears their soul in his music, he or she most likely is just putting those thoughts out there in public view like they would a canary in a coal mine... Comparing life notes so to speak. This is what I think... How about you? Trying to find that balance.
The "duality" and conradiction of my personal position, I strive to be an idealist and pacifist in my own life. I -try- to maintain a liberal (as in open minded) stance towards this existence. I am rigid but able to bend if necessary. My goal in a debate is to tear down ideas and not people. I try. A lot of my "style" is a fire for effect.... to throw out ideas that have been whirling around me and not necessarily those that I have internalized. And in some debates, such as the current one, intelligent people can have an honest and profound difference of opinion. I'm not willing to throw away my humanity (really) because I'm angry now. I have a small child and another on the way. I don't want them to grow up in a world of hate, narcissitic greed, vanity, sellsellsell. In the same light, I honestly believe... well, you know that.
In this light, this is why I feel I owe DeSitter an apology. And I give an open apology to anyone else that I may have, have, or will piss off in the future. It's easy to forget in the heat of our discussions that most here are of extremely high intellect and highly sensitive - me included (at least in the sensitive part...). Looking back at this thread, I know that I crossed the line with the ubermensch kopf post. I was intentionally trying to be a smartass... There, I said it...
I'm still gonna hang onto the tagline for a few more days though :-) By the way, does anyone know where the Celina Jones thing originates? It makes it much more humorous.
Just a few thoughts,
Screamer
"God is dead"
Nietzsche
"Nietzsche is dead"
God
"Nietzsche has an S in it"
Celina Jones
"Putting the fun back into funatic"
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Post #13,002
10/11/01 5:16:31 PM
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OK, sorry...
Ashton Dane-(in-)Law: Hell, I thought 'twas you, shortly after your first New post; [...] (no reason to blab, natch - everybody doesn't have to know everything). But then, I was looking. Hey, I can see the barb, even if it's well buried... But FWIW (and as far as I could see), by the time I posted, Dan had pretty much stated as an assumption that pretty much everybody knew who he was. Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
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Post #13,006
10/11/01 5:23:53 PM
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Yup.
He let the cat out of the bag early.
It's hard to keep up with handles sometimes, but he was pretty explicit. Now whether deSitter saw the reply is something I don't know... :-(
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=4195|Here] - look at the last post.
Another irony is that I believe (corrections welcome) that it was Dan who caused many of us to get off our duffs and help Ross when he was in trouble.... :-(
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #13,035
10/11/01 6:16:26 PM
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Which kind'a proves two things. No, three:
Not only [1] that "de Sitter" is a mean asshole (for jumping Dan now), but [2] that he's a stupid mean asshole (for not knowing that he'd already recognized him), too. (the "Other") Scott: Another irony is that I believe (corrections welcome) that it was Dan who caused many of us to get off our duffs and help Ross when he was in trouble.... :-( Oh yeah, that too. Which would make him [3] a doubly-fucking-mean stupid mean asshole. Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
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Post #13,037
10/11/01 6:29:47 PM
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I don't think deSitter had malice a-forethought. Forgetful?
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Post #13,066
10/11/01 10:57:31 PM
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less see according to psych 101 and posts here n there
losing a spouse/SO due to death or permanent estrangement, losing everything ( worse than bankrupcy) losing gig(major upset) and losing what little you have gained back(loss of pc by theft with all intellectual work stolen) any one of which could lead to a nervous breakdown and doc has hit all of them in less than 1 year. Lucky he isnt in a rubber room. I am not saying cut slack if ya dont want to but I would have given up posting a long time ago under those conditions.
thanx,
bill
tshirt front "born to die before I get old"
thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
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Post #13,163
10/12/01 4:11:31 PM
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Agreed. Pity that he didn't mention this last ugly event
til well after entering flamb\ufffd mode..
(Sayin that "everyone sucks" is tantamount to sayin, "life sucks" - which is to forget.. it also blows)
I'm sure that some of us could rassle up another box for DR, but that has nothing to do with the lost data - do cops ever recover *anything* these days? Local flea markets? (wiped drive :[ though) {sigh}
The Gawds must *love* Assholes like this thief - She makes so many of em..
..now Ill remember why to *really* put a copy of that backup - OFF-site :[
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Post #13,008
10/11/01 5:24:34 PM
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Barb?
I was talking about deS - not copping to the ID, at all til spelled out. (And.. they've met!)
What are you talking about ? ;-)
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