Now it's gettin personal...

Post #12,908 by screamer 10/11/01 1:03:32 PM Reply	Now it's gettin personal... DeSitter, I am truthfully and profoundly sorry that you now think I am an asshole. I already realized that I had "crossed the line" in the last few posts (late last night) between debating and getting personal. I've already apologized and I sincerely meant it. This topic is inflamatory to say the least. I can't honestly say that it's possible for me to divorce myself from the pathos of the tragedy that happened in New York or Washington. I disqualify myself from being "objective" and will remove myself from further debate. I hope you will reconsider putting me on your "list". Please take a few minutes and read my posts from last night. I'm not eloquent at apology, but I think you'll find that I was trying. Just a few thoughts, Screamer "God is dead" Nietzsche "Nietzsche is dead" God "Nietzsche has an S in it" Celina Jones "Putting the fun back into funatic"
Post #12,925 by Ashton 10/11/01 2:00:59 PM Reply	I don't get it, Dan ..why you might think an apology is due DR? - one who is constitutionally unable to apologize after.. whatever excess. Also one so disdainful of 'noticing someone else' - as to miss your alias. When you are self-preoccupied to distraction, you don't tend to take the trouble of noticing the nuances within messages - in words (or in person, usually?) Hell, I thought 'twas you, shortly after your first New post; pretty sure by second.. memes? style? POV? (no reason to blab, natch - everybody doesn't have to know everything). But then, I was looking. Don't mistake my POV either - I believe DR has a finely honed intellect, and I've been around lots of large intellects in my time. Should he ever find it important enough to bring his social awareness up to nominal levels - he may even get the chance to do something useful with it. I make allowances for his lack; he's hardly alone in that uneven development - it often goes with the territory. (You shoulda seen what the grandson of George Cantor [of Aleph- fame] was like - he was my roommate .. for One term only - even though I was pretty much an asshole too, still..) But there's a limit to how often you want a friend's visiting prodigy offspring.. peeing in your piranha pool. Alas, I see little improvement since his last demonstration of ineptness in the common courtesy of every society. Sorry to intrude in a 1:1 exchange - but I wrote my reply to DR before seeing your message. Knowing what little I know - I don't see that you 'owe Him', but quite - Ashton fools rush in
Post #12,951 by screamer 10/11/01 2:59:49 PM Reply	I think you do know... When I'm after making a "point" I can be as tenacious as a ferret (pitbull?). Most here can be. As you mention in your following post, "what is the purpose of debate"? It is my wish to be able to "enlighten" but I'm really here to become enlightened as well. Probably much like a songwriter bears their soul in his music, he or she most likely is just putting those thoughts out there in public view like they would a canary in a coal mine... Comparing life notes so to speak. This is what I think... How about you? Trying to find that balance. The "duality" and conradiction of my personal position, I strive to be an idealist and pacifist in my own life. I -try- to maintain a liberal (as in open minded) stance towards this existence. I am rigid but able to bend if necessary. My goal in a debate is to tear down ideas and not people. I try. A lot of my "style" is a fire for effect.... to throw out ideas that have been whirling around me and not necessarily those that I have internalized. And in some debates, such as the current one, intelligent people can have an honest and profound difference of opinion. I'm not willing to throw away my humanity (really) because I'm angry now. I have a small child and another on the way. I don't want them to grow up in a world of hate, narcissitic greed, vanity, sellsellsell. In the same light, I honestly believe... well, you know that. In this light, this is why I feel I owe DeSitter an apology. And I give an open apology to anyone else that I may have, have, or will piss off in the future. It's easy to forget in the heat of our discussions that most here are of extremely high intellect and highly sensitive - me included (at least in the sensitive part...). Looking back at this thread, I know that I crossed the line with the ubermensch kopf post. I was intentionally trying to be a smartass... There, I said it... I'm still gonna hang onto the tagline for a few more days though :-) By the way, does anyone know where the Celina Jones thing originates? It makes it much more humorous. Just a few thoughts, Screamer "God is dead" Nietzsche "Nietzsche is dead" God "Nietzsche has an S in it" Celina Jones "Putting the fun back into funatic"
Post #13,002 by CRConrad 10/11/01 5:16:31 PM Reply	OK, sorry... Ashton Dane-(in-)Law: Hell, I thought 'twas you, shortly after your first New post; [...] (no reason to blab, natch - everybody doesn't have to know everything). But then, I was looking. Hey, I can see the barb, even if it's well buried... But FWIW (and as far as I could see), by the time I posted, Dan had pretty much stated as an assumption that pretty much everybody knew who he was. Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #13,006 by Another Scott 10/11/01 5:23:53 PM Reply	Yup. He let the cat out of the bag early. It's hard to keep up with handles sometimes, but he was pretty explicit. Now whether deSitter saw the reply is something I don't know... :-( [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=4195\|Here] - look at the last post. Another irony is that I believe (corrections welcome) that it was Dan who caused many of us to get off our duffs and help Ross when he was in trouble.... :-( Cheers, Scott.
Post #13,035 by CRConrad 10/11/01 6:16:26 PM Reply	Which kind'a proves two things. No, three: Not only [1] that "de Sitter" is a mean asshole (for jumping Dan now), but [2] that he's a stupid mean asshole (for not knowing that he'd already recognized him), too. (the "Other") Scott: Another irony is that I believe (corrections welcome) that it was Dan who caused many of us to get off our duffs and help Ross when he was in trouble.... :-( Oh yeah, that too. Which would make him [3] a doubly-fucking-mean stupid mean asshole. Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #13,037 by Another Scott 10/11/01 6:29:47 PM Reply	I don't think deSitter had malice a-forethought. Forgetful?
Post #13,066 by boxley 10/11/01 10:57:31 PM Reply	less see according to psych 101 and posts here n there losing a spouse/SO due to death or permanent estrangement, losing everything ( worse than bankrupcy) losing gig(major upset) and losing what little you have gained back(loss of pc by theft with all intellectual work stolen) any one of which could lead to a nervous breakdown and doc has hit all of them in less than 1 year. Lucky he isnt in a rubber room. I am not saying cut slack if ya dont want to but I would have given up posting a long time ago under those conditions. thanx, bill tshirt front "born to die before I get old" thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
Post #13,163 by Ashton 10/12/01 4:11:31 PM Reply	Agreed. Pity that he didn't mention this last ugly event til well after entering flamb\ufffd mode.. (Sayin that "everyone sucks" is tantamount to sayin, "life sucks" - which is to forget.. it also blows) I'm sure that some of us could rassle up another box for DR, but that has nothing to do with the lost data - do cops ever recover anything these days? Local flea markets? (wiped drive :[ though) {sigh} The Gawds must love Assholes like this thief - She makes so many of em.. ..now Ill remember why to really put a copy of that backup - OFF-site :[
Post #13,008 by Ashton 10/11/01 5:24:34 PM Reply	Barb? I was talking about deS - not copping to the ID, at all til spelled out. (And.. they've met!) What are you talking about ? ;-)
Post #12,933 by deSitter 10/11/01 2:20:51 PM Reply	Really? Seems to me you responded to one of my posts - an impersonal, neutral one and not a reply to you, with "Hey dickhead!" Now, you're perfectly welcome to call me a dickhead if you know me (or think you do) - e.g. I can even respect that maggot Harris because he's at least honest about hating me - but you REALLY KNOW ME and still just up and "dickheaded" me. And guess what - if I'd known it was you, I would have been actually wounded - but I didn't, so I hit back. And now I'm just forced to swallow one more disgusting moment of two-facedness and backstabbing from someone I really trusted. So fuck you buddy and stay fucked.
Post #12,959 by screamer 10/11/01 3:12:45 PM Reply	Please... I really meant the subject line as a play on words like we used to do in the old IWE. I was playing around and didn't realize that you were taking me that seriously. I also really thought that you knew who I was... really. I have apologized in other posts last night and today. Guy, please don't be hurt. I meant absolutely nothing personal. I was arguing points, that's all. I crossed the line. If I didn't care how you viewed things or what you think, I wouldn't have bothered to respond or to spend the effort that I am now to try and make you understand that I didn't mean to upset you personally. It means something to me that I don't. I do consider you a friend and that I most probably screwed up. I'm asking you to be a friend and understand that it truly was unintentional and to forgive me. Dan
Post #12,984 by deSitter 10/11/01 4:35:14 PM Reply	Too Many Scars This is my last post here. I have no power to forgive. The word is meaningless. God himself is a cruel, malicious bastard, and his in-his-image-created people are a scourge on a beautiful planet. As a general rule, they are stupid, venal and miserable beyond any description. They shit, piss and vomit on everything good and noble. They are black-hearted cowards and will not stop until this fair corner of the Universe is a smoking ruin. Good riddance - but pity the innocence of bees and squirrels. Still, once in a while a good one randomly pops up almost in spite of the evil bastard who sits on the throne of "heaven". For that at least I am thankful - no one can erase the memory of a Beethoven or an Einstein. Actually, come to think of it, that's not really true, is it? Wait, there's that Voyager thingy - a message in a bottle cast off a sinking ship that will of course never be found. That's some comfort, no? At this point I am so scarred up by living 42 years among homo venalis that I have nothing in my soul but disgust and a desire to be 100 million miles from the stink of this miserable race. Ask God to forgive you. If he's having a good day, he might consider it. Of course, he may hit you with a terrorist jet too, or force you to choose between incineration, pulverization, or a 1000 foot, 10 second lesson in unassisted human flight. And if you're like me, he may rub it in by letting you dream about it beforehand and so rip away even the comfort and escape of sound sleep. Thanks God! Bye
Post #12,997 by Another Scott 10/11/01 5:04:02 PM Reply	Friends will be here if you change your mind. Best of luck Ross. Cheers, Scott.
Post #13,001 by inthane-chan 10/11/01 5:11:41 PM Reply	Wot 'e said. Ross, as a middling science fiction author said... "Life sucks, then you die, then they put you in a hole in the ground, and then the worms eat you. BE GLAD IT HAPPENS IN THAT ORDER!" Yeah, things get kind of rough. There are morons out there. 50% of everybody is below average, but 50% of everybody is above. If(Glass.status == full.half or Glass.status == empty.half) { system.out("Who cares, it tastes good!"); } "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #13,018 by Ashton 10/11/01 5:37:55 PM Reply	I wish you well. Nobody said it would be easy - being smarter than your average cocker spaniel, in a society that isn't, much. You've got the smarts and, I think - the guts. You could cancel out a lotta dumbth, if you will.. Yes you have a nuance detector; be nice to use it on other folk too, sometimes. Get well. Ashton
Post #13,025 by marlowe 10/11/01 5:52:45 PM Reply	I've had days like that. Hell, I've had years like that. Beware: if you blame God for how man turned out, you might later have kids that grow up to disappoint you, and end up regretting your harsh words. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.

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