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New Well, that's pretty weak.
Unless you seriously believe Saddam would have changed his stripes between circa 1995 and 2003 when he had never done so before. Never mind that we know [link|http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/06/09/1055010927084.html|he hasn't changed his stripes at all in similar matters]. How would we classify this one? A variant of that old standby of the willfully stupid: slothful induction?

That would be almsot as silly as when you guys argue that terrorists don't count if they're not al Qaeda. Or even when [link|http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/29/sprj.irq.terrorist.capture/|they probably are].

I'll give you two more days to try to redeem yourself. And if you don't retract or explain away this implication that Saddam should be presumed to have transformed into a pussycat in *every* particular unless we can prove he is what he's always been in each particular, I'm going to have to add that to the page.

I originally intended the page to focus on misrepresentations of fact. But given your characteristic fallback, I suppose I should extend it to cover gross errors of logic as well.
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DEAL WITH IT.
Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas?
I helped depose Saddam. Did you?
When the facts speak for themselves, only a fool insists on having a debate.
The future is leaving the station, the US is at the throttle, and the Left isn't on board.
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
New Wow.
The jingo kid complains about logic. It is, to quote another iwetheyer, to laugh.
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Where were you in 72?
New Ring the tocsin: Nintendo Alert! Eloi threaten elders again
New I shall redeem myself in your own style, marlowe
You suck. Pttttthb! =P


Now back to my own style, how about you admitting that:

  • Terrorists who are not members of al Qaeda are not members of the al Qaeda organization

  • Other people's positions are not necessarily my own

  • Bush claimed Saddam was building nukes, Cheney said Saddam had already "reconstituted" nukes, and we have so far found no evidence of nuke production or ownership in Iraq

  • The "war on terror" is not truly a war against terrorism or else Bush would have gone after the low-hanging fruit of Kahanists in Brooklyn and the IRA supporters in Boston, not to mention have had his father strung up and shot on the first day, and would not have sucked up to Yasser Arafat for the first year and a half of the "war on terror" or protected Qaeda-allied Chechen terrorists in Georgia

  • If the war in Iraq has nothing to do with WMDs and is just about Saddam being an evil dictator who massacred his own people, Bush should be removed from office for gross incompetence and mismanagement of military resources in occupying such a large part of the army in a campaign that only minimally effects the US's strategic interests while North Korea is building nukes for use against the United States and its allies


New You have one day left to begin offering documented facts...
and to stop throwing up illogic, paranoia and cheap abuse.
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DEAL WITH IT.
Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas?
I helped depose Saddam. Did you?
When the facts speak for themselves, only a fool insists on having a debate.
The future is leaving the station, the US is at the throttle, and the Left isn't on board.
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
New Or what?
If you're going to make threats, it helps to mention the punishment if compliance is not achieved.
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New Spoken like a true parent :)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Heh
Nothing like having kids to get a solid grasp on the threaten/bribe model of behaviour modification.

Still, if Marlowe is going to threaten people, he should mention the penalty, or else he just comes off as a blowhard know-naught.
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New And that would be different how?
New Why don't we see if Marlowe can answer that question?
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New IIRC, he's NEVER answered a direct question.
When they took the Fourth Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.
When they took the Fifth Amendment, I was quiet because I was innocent.
When they took the Second Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't own a gun.
Now they've taken the First Amendment, and I can't say anything about it.
New Which pretty much shows how much credence one should
lend his positions^wthreats^wcheap whines.

imho, of course.
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
New Don't you mean cheep whines?
As in birdlike or birdbrained?

Of course cheap whine goes good with cheap cheese and crackers.
When they took the Fourth Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.
When they took the Fifth Amendment, I was quiet because I was innocent.
When they took the Second Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't own a gun.
Now they've taken the First Amendment, and I can't say anything about it.
New Unfair.
Why.. marlowe feels the pain of the suffering ones everywhere in the world - regardless of race, creed, color or political opinion. Compassion is his middle-name. I know this because he's said so! (And I'm sure he's really sorry about Duvallier, Pinochet, Montt, Marcos, Pahlavi, Pol Pot, Rius, Abacha, Mobutu, Botha and those other fellows we supported so's they could represent our interests and all).

Well, OK - scratch that last part: if it isn't the same political opinion as those nice folks he worships, who are arranging for a Rilly-American Century or Two\ufffd, then the fucking raghead can boil in [oil] until s/he says Uncle (Sam). Seems fair enough. Who else is the very model of a perfectly harmonious society, with liberty and justice for all?

But since he possesses that which we mere local observers can never achieve - the Certainty of his Moral Righteousness, encrypted direct from the Top - we'll just have to go along with his program.. or miss that boat which is supposed to be sailing without us.




Which also seems fair enough. I prefer the train or ox-cart, and there are some you just wouldn't want to travel with whatever the mode, even if they paid you off too, (maybe even more than the Turks and Spain?)
Coalition of the Willful and Well-paid - nice ring, hasn't it?
New Time's up.
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DEAL WITH IT.
Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas?
I helped depose Saddam. Did you?
When the facts speak for themselves, only a fool insists on having a debate.
The future is leaving the station, the US is at the throttle, and the Left isn't on board.
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
New Good of you to drop in
periodically. Complacency is everyone's bugaboo - and you provide a livid example of the sort of mindset whose momentum may well prevail, if adults choose to remain flaccid and disinterested long enough.

The conceit of the True Believer has been diagrammed by everyone, Shakespeare to Eric Hoffer - yet, comfort is such a powerful drug that we relax vigilance, tolerate odious cant (now a daily part of every bizness conversation) and .. fall asleep repeatedly.

Keep up the good work, marlowe! You're the Best of the sorts of examples everyone needs not to forget. The Nintendo-Eloi are everywhere; fortunately though, popularity has nothing to do with sanity or maturity.


Ashton
     Big Lies debunked: all the Iraq lies so far - (marlowe) - (28)
         Um.... how about Iraq is 6 months away from Nuclear Weapons? -NT - (Simon_Jester)
         I'd say misses across the board - (JayMehaffey)
         You're having trouble hitting any in the first place - (tangaroa) - (18)
             Yep, you've got straw men all over the board. - (marlowe) - (17)
                 Here's the big one - (tangaroa) - (16)
                     Well, that's pretty weak. - (marlowe) - (15)
                         Wow. - (Silverlock)
                         Ring the tocsin: Nintendo Alert! Eloi threaten elders again -NT - (Ashton)
                         I shall redeem myself in your own style, marlowe - (tangaroa) - (10)
                             You have one day left to begin offering documented facts... - (marlowe) - (9)
                                 Or what? - (jake123) - (8)
                                     Spoken like a true parent :) -NT - (bepatient) - (7)
                                         Heh - (jake123) - (6)
                                             And that would be different how? -NT - (inthane-chan) - (5)
                                                 Why don't we see if Marlowe can answer that question? -NT - (jake123) - (4)
                                                     IIRC, he's NEVER answered a direct question. -NT - (jbrabeck) - (3)
                                                         Which pretty much shows how much credence one should - (jake123) - (2)
                                                             Don't you mean cheep whines? - (jbrabeck) - (1)
                                                                 Unfair. - (Ashton)
                         Time's up. -NT - (marlowe) - (1)
                             Good of you to drop in - (Ashton)
         Yawn. - (Ashton) - (4)
             Yeah, we all love your bafflegab and xenophobia. - (marlowe) - (3)
                 Re: Yeah, we all love your bafflegab and xenophobia. - (rcareaga)
                 I don't think that word means what you think it means - (mhuber) - (1)
                     Re: I don't think that word means what you think it means - (jake123)
         Current Museum Counts - (JayMehaffey)
         Reuters: capture of Ba'ath regime proceeds apace - (marlowe)

My God... that pizza combo is full of stars...!
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