Re: *Sigh*

Post #95,423 by cybermace5 4/9/03 3:23:07 PM Reply	Re: Sigh Americans did not dance for joy, unfurling national flags and toppling statues of leaders on 9/11. The terrorists did not liberate America from an oppressive dictator, who would crush any who dared suggest the thought of opposition. When someone dies in an act of violence, how their death is perceived depends on why they died. A soldier's immediate family will mourn, then resolve to honor their memory and the principles they were fighting for. The death of a soldier is treated with respect and reverence. A civilian dying during a battle for the freedom of their own country; while not a combatant, they are accorded the same remembrance and respect as a soldier. It was inevitable that some should die during the liberation of their country, and the ones who eventually did die will be remembered as a symbol of their country's struggle. They will be thanked by the millions of Iraqis who live on, now free from the nightmare of the last three decades. The civilians who died on 9/11, and the ones who died under Saddam's rule, died for little or no reason. A purposeless death is the most painful for family members, and stirs up desire for revenge. The word for it is murder. They were the actual target, and their death was the whim of a cruel madman. Their death did nothing for their country, and their relatives are robbed both of their family member in life, and any sense of purpose in their death.
Post #95,442 by rcareaga 4/9/03 4:16:44 PM Reply	impervious When someone dies in an act of violence, how their death is perceived depends on why they died Maybe by you, buckaroo, but don't project the poverty of your imagination upon the poor bastards there on the ground. I probably shouldn't have mentioned the World Trade Center, since the lad--predictably, in retrospect--glommed onto it to the exclusion of rational argument. And then, It was inevitable that some should die during the liberation of their country, and the ones who eventually did die will be remembered as a symbol of their country's struggle. They will be thanked by the millions of Iraqis who live on, now free from the nightmare of the last three decades. Really, now. It's hard to see what form such thanks might take--what, precisely, are the dead to be thanked for? [image\|http://www.womeninlogistics.org/corpse.jpg\|\|\|\|] --"Thanks, Sis! If you hadn't taken the top bunk, this coulda been me!" Did this Iraqi death bring the regime one second closer to its end? I mean, if the tyke had sat in Saddam's lap at a photo-op with a satchel charge under her frock that would be one thing, but blasted in half in her sleep by an errant American missile, and then carelessly permitting her remains to be photographed--serving, if anything, to stiffen the foe's resolve--this properly elicits the "thanks" of her survivors? Good god, what a colossally stupid thing to say! Say she'll be mourned, say she'll be remembered, hell, say she'll be forgotten in time, but don't say she'll be thanked. Jesus Christ in a fucking chicken basket... despairingly, "Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
Post #95,453 by cybermace5 4/9/03 4:43:06 PM Reply	Re: impervious Remember, the Iraqi soldiers have been firing missiles and shells blindly into the air for weeks, using no guidance due to radar-seeking missiles. What goes up must come down. Add to that the presence of GPS jammers, and there is a significant possibilty the fault is on the part of the Iraqi soldiers, who have many times placed civilians in harm's way. And you're still not getting it. The Iraqis knew that some would probably die. It was a matter of time and place. I'm not saying the individual deaths make any difference in the playout of the war, and they are certainly tragic, but a certain number were going to happen and the Iraqis knew that. And what resolve, exactly, was stiffened? Have you seen any signs of resolve? Or are you swallowing everything the Information Minister has been saying, and truly beleive the Americans were dying by the thousands on Baghdad's gates? And who is the foe? The only people fighting are ones who have repeatedly proven that they do not value the lives of civilians at all.
Post #95,511 by dmarker 4/9/03 7:04:33 PM Reply	Your words & sentiments are sobering. Thanks it helps. We all need to be reminded of what happens and what needs to be done when some 'chick got in the way'. Cheers Doug Marker Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003
Post #95,547 by cybermace5 4/9/03 8:37:24 PM Reply	Re: Your words & sentiments are sobering. Thanks it helps. Of course you would latch on to only the last sentence....
Post #95,589 by rcareaga 4/9/03 10:28:39 PM Reply	Mit der Dummheit Kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens (umlauts omitted for the sake of deficient browsers) "Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist."
Post #95,597 by cybermace5 4/9/03 11:01:56 PM Reply	Re: Mit der Dummheit Kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens Now now, don't be pulling a Brandioch on us!
Post #95,606 by boxley 4/9/03 11:26:05 PM Reply	you cant tell the difference between German and American? what foreign language did you study in order to get a bachelors degree. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org] Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
Post #95,622 by cybermace5 4/10/03 12:06:31 AM Reply	Re: you cant tell the difference between German and American Uhm, I'm not sure what your point is. rcareaga's comment was about the gods struggling in vain against the stupid. Bringing to mind certain posings of a certain individual.
Post #95,654 by Ashton 4/10/03 6:29:43 AM Reply	Nicht zutreffend - die G\ufffdtter "\ufffdberlassen ihr Himmel"

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