What part of Gestalt don't you understand?

Post #87,761 by kmself 3/12/03 5:00:48 PM Reply	What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There's this [link\|http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/\|little project] I've had a bit of a hand in, though it's largely dormant at present. There's a [link\|http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/gestalt_manifesto_full_097.html\|basic framework] hashed out. \r\n\r\n Mostly a personal SAS licence wouldn't be doing DA for clients -- testing ideas, doing code dev, learning new tricks, etc. Most of which frankly the client doesn't want me doing on their dime. SAS simply don't realize this. \r\n\r\n I've been giving thoughts to resurrecting GS largely on the basis of current experience, starting with the "OK, how would I do this if I didn't have SAS" scenario, and mapping the problem more into "data analysis on Linux" than "rebuild SAS", though the end result might be similar. --\r\n Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n [link\|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/\|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n \r\n Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
Post #87,778 by morganek 3/12/03 5:36:40 PM Reply	Well, now that the inkblot's right-side-up. . . First, sorry to have missed the gestalt references. Second, I've now skimmed your manifesto. I dunno that I can contribute anything of use to you since you picked Python and MySQL while I'm strictly Perl and PostgreSQL. As for the "rebuild SAS" scenario, I'm not certain that SAS is the right approach to data analysis. The few places I've used/supported it, there were always a few FORTRAN guys on staff to handle tricky stuff that could not be done with SAS. I also remember that there was always a go-to guy to do data cleanup. Heck, when I was working at a DHHS agency, I developed several tools (under scientist supervision) with TurboPascal to avoid enormous CPU-usage costs at the NIH datacenter. I know that SAS is the Cadillac standard, but it might make sense for you to pull-together the Python and MySQL tools and perform data analysis "by-hand" to for some of your work just to see if it can be done. If you tWikify all your steps and code, you may find what steps are worth "automating" and maybe get some review of your methods at the same time. Again, my take would be to consider how much time you could afford in lieu of paying an annual recurring $6k.
Post #87,788 by admin 3/12/03 6:27:10 PM Reply	MySQL? Zope? Gah. PostgreSQL and [link\|http://webware.sourceforge.net/\|WebWare]. :-) That's assuming you've already gone for Python. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #87,794 by kmself 3/12/03 6:47:38 PM Reply	"Gone for" Considering the thing's about 6oz. of vapor, nothing's been "gone for". \r\n\r\n Python appeals on several counts. For heavy-duty stats and graphics lifting, R is the logical choice, though calling the syntax Byzantine is...not doing Byzantium justice. \r\n\r\n One of the stumbling blocks first go-round was the sense I had that Tim was looking at a wholesale app integration thing. I'm more looking to provide the glue to stick together what's already out there. Tying in, ferexample, to existing packaging tools (Deb/RPM, CPAN, CRAN) to figure out what's on a particular system, and what it can/cannot do, might be useful. Of course, my druthers would be just to toss the whole schmeil at APT and let it sort out the bodies. \r\n\r\n I'm focusing more on what sorts of things I want done and how I'd tackle them than the specific tools to use to do so. The second should emerge from the first. And IMO should remain open, not closed. --\r\n Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n [link\|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/\|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n \r\n Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
Post #87,799 by admin 3/12/03 6:59:32 PM Reply	Re: "Gone for" Removing that bit from the page would probably help you get help, then. Putting "Python, MySQL, Zope" on there automatically pre-selects folks who might be interested. WRT Zope, I would advise you to consider how difficult Zope applications are to distribute... ask YendorMike if you want details. :-) Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #87,836 by Yendor 3/12/03 9:00:06 PM Reply	Ugh WRT Zope, I would advise you to consider how difficult Zope applications are to distribute... ask YendorMike if you want details. :-) Ho-leeeeeeeee shit. Let's put it this way...[user://snowdog\|Snowdog] and I have tried installing the zIWT boards for our own purpose on another machine. Our instructions for doing this are [link\|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IwtInstallation\|here]. As you can see, we haven't gotten the forums.xml imported yet. Ever try hand-editing a 4-meg XML file? Woo-hah, fun. -YendorMike [link\|http://www.hope-ride.org/\|http://www.hope-ride.org/]

Welcome to IWETHEY!