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Post #86,845
by orion
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3/9/03 1:45:41 AM
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New Wait just a minute here...
This is the company formerlly known as Caldera, which renamed itself to SCO Group after buying out SCO products like UnixWare, etc.

How did IBM get its hands on Caldera/SCO source code? Caldera OpenLinux was open sourced, like most of the Linux distros out there. I was not aware that UnixWare was opened up to IBM.

Is Caldera/SCO claiming that it owns the Unix System V source code, and that any product based on that code or using that code or technology has to pay them royalties? I thought that Linux was written from the group up to System V standards, but not using System V code. Am I wrong here?

It is all so confusing I am not sure how a court of law could handle this. Also AIX is affected as well, apparently. IBM could always drop AIX and replace it with Linux if need be, or even *BSD if Linux is "contaminated" with Caldera/SCO source code and technologies.

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Post #86,851
by Andrew Grygus
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3/9/03 2:32:48 AM
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New System V Unix
All vendors of System V based Unix have been paying license fees to SCO with the exception of Sun Microsystems. Sun paid SCO a big lump sum for a perpetual no-fees license right after SCO bought Unix from Novell.

IBM has Unix source code which was the base for developing AIX, so they too have probably been paying some license fees to SCO.

There is no known Unix code in Linux. SCO is mainly acusing IBM of violating "trade secrets", not code copyrights.
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Post #86,896
by kmself
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3/9/03 1:59:16 PM
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New Trade secrets, copyrights: vague claims

Trade secrets certainly seem to be the bulk of the claim. However,\r\ncopyright may or may not be included. The complaint is vague\r\n(deliberately IMO) on this point.

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Note that SCO may well have abandoned it trade secrets status by\r\ndistributing the same Linux kernel code itself.

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     SCO sues IBM over Linux and Unix tech - (lordbeatnik) - (28) - March 6, 2003, 08:43:00 PM EST
         Piss on the everloving Santa Cr00z Operashun -NT - (deSitter) - March 6, 2003, 08:45:51 PM EST
         Suicide by cop - (kmself) - (14) - March 7, 2003, 12:15:52 AM EST
             OT does Microsoft still hold the Xenix patents? -NT - (boxley) - (1) - March 7, 2003, 12:23:09 AM EST
                 IIRC they sold them to SCO - (orion) - March 9, 2003, 01:48:03 AM EST
             Or, perhaps they intend to offer IBM an easy way out . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - March 7, 2003, 12:57:20 AM EST
                 eye bim to "own" unix hmmm -NT - (boxley) - (5) - March 7, 2003, 01:06:23 AM EST
                     Yeah, scarry, huh? -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - March 7, 2003, 01:31:32 AM EST
                         Yeah, for IBM! - (deSitter) - (2) - March 7, 2003, 07:47:42 AM EST
                             Porsche 356 Speedster. -NT - (CRConrad) - March 7, 2003, 08:19:21 AM EST
                             ICLRPD! - (boxley) - March 7, 2003, 09:01:55 AM EST
                     No, no, no! Software doesn't go to IBM to die... - (mmoffitt) - March 7, 2003, 04:21:59 PM EST
             Just going through the complaint... - (folkert) - (4) - March 7, 2003, 06:39:26 PM EST
                 IBM doesn't think that they will lose... - (ben_tilly) - (3) - March 7, 2003, 07:05:10 PM EST
                     ABSOLUTE MUST READ...REFUTES SCO/CALDERA... REALLY!!!! - (folkert) - March 7, 2003, 11:00:22 PM EST
                     ABSOLUTE MUST READ...REFUTES SCO/CALDERA... REALLY!!!! - (folkert) - March 7, 2003, 11:00:46 PM EST
                     IBM is a sleeping giant - (orion) - March 9, 2003, 01:49:32 AM EST
         Unix trademark, *no* patents - (kmself) - March 7, 2003, 03:15:10 AM EST
         "Boeis of Boeis" - How Bester-ish... - (CRConrad) - March 7, 2003, 06:34:59 AM EST
         Having read the complaint, SCO was clearly doomed - (ben_tilly) - March 8, 2003, 03:03:02 PM EST
         Wait just a minute here... - (orion) - (2) - March 9, 2003, 01:45:41 AM EST
             System V Unix - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - March 9, 2003, 02:32:48 AM EST
                 Trade secrets, copyrights: vague claims - (kmself) - March 9, 2003, 01:59:16 PM EST
         IGM request: research on parties - (kmself) - (2) - March 9, 2003, 06:49:16 PM EST
             hereya go - (boxley) - (1) - March 9, 2003, 09:07:21 PM EST
                 Danke! Anyone care to tackle the rest? -NT - (kmself) - March 9, 2003, 09:25:31 PM EST
         Analysis of complaint - (kmself) - (2) - March 10, 2003, 10:44:29 AM EST
             Forwarded this link... - (folkert) - (1) - March 10, 2003, 10:48:49 AM EST
                 Re: Forwarded this link... - (kmself) - March 10, 2003, 10:59:34 AM EST

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