Post #86,340
3/7/03 12:15:52 AM
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Suicide by cop
This is suicide by cop[1]. \r\n\r\n Or it's something similarly twisted. SCO is simply dead. The back \r\nstory may be interesting though. \r\n\r\n The news.com story notes that SCO may be pissed over the failure of \r\nProject Monterey, which was aimed at reimplementing GNU/Linux as a \r\nproprietary Unix for the Itanic (that's just so wrong so many ways I \r\nwon't even start). \r\n\r\n\r\n Just a few off-the-cuff observations. \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n- You don't launch a land war in Asia.
\r\n\r\n- Similarly: you don't launch a billion-dollar patent battle with\r\nIBM, if your strategy is in fact to win that battle.
\r\n\r\n- Corrolary of the above is that you're either trying to lose, you're\r\nnot calling the shots, or you're aiming to win another battle. \r\nThese are not mutually exclusive, though options 2 & 3 are the most\r\nlikely pairing.
\r\n\r\n- Aside: IBM generates over $1b (approaching 1.5b IIRC) annually in \r\npatent licensing revenues. Their patent portfolio numbers over\r\n22,000. IBM is the single largest holder and recipient of US patent\r\ngrants.
\r\n\r\n- Theory: somebody's trying to sow patent problems for IBM, and/or \r\ntie up IBM legal in a suit, while somebody else pulls a fast one.
\r\n\r\n- Theory: Caldera wants to prod IBM into reviving the DR-DOS suit (or\r\nsomething similar) against Microsoft (or other parties). I find \r\nthis unlikely, but mention it for completeness.
\r\n\r\n- Theory: Caldera's management is trying to avoid breach-of-\r\nfiduciary-interest or other similar charges, while disposing of the\r\ncompany while putatively pursuing a fiduciary interest of the\r\ncompany.
\r\n\r\n- Theory: This is Wang v. Netscape again. In that case, Microsoft \r\nbought a significant interest in the dying Wang corporation, and \r\nWang pursued patent suits against Netscape. The patent was \r\neventually invalidated, but such battles are costly.
\r\n\r\n- Theory: (left field variety) LFP or similar[2] have corraled \r\nCaldera into making a blatent demonstration of just how broken the \r\npatent system is by going after its (the patent system's) largest \r\nbeneficiary.
\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n Watch this space. Interesting. \r\n\r\n ________________________________________ \r\nNotes:\r\n\r\n \r\n- If you're not familiar with the term: a perp assaults a police\r\nofficer, in such a way that the cop has to use deadly force. This being\r\nthe apparently desired outcome of the perp.
\r\n- LPF: League for Programming Freedom, an anti-patent group\r\nassociated with Richard M. Stallman.
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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
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What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
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Post #86,342
3/7/03 12:23:09 AM
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OT does Microsoft still hold the Xenix patents?
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Post #86,846
3/9/03 1:48:03 AM
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IIRC they sold them to SCO
and over the years SCO has changed Xenix into SCO Unix, etc. Microsoft continued to use Xenix for its mail servers, etc for a while until they invented their own server software.
Imagine what would have happened if Microsoft had kept Xenix and used it instead of MS-DOS?
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Post #86,348
3/7/03 12:57:20 AM
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Or, perhaps they intend to offer IBM an easy way out . .
. . buy the company.
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Post #86,353
3/7/03 1:06:23 AM
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eye bim to "own" unix hmmm
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Post #86,356
3/7/03 1:31:32 AM
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Yeah, scarry, huh?
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Post #86,379
3/7/03 7:47:42 AM
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Yeah, for IBM!
Owning UNIX is like being Godfather to Rosemary's Baby. A "dis"mal fate awaits. What was that cursed cultural icon - James Dean's deathcar?
-drl
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Post #86,388
3/7/03 8:19:21 AM
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Porsche 356 Speedster.
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Post #86,403
3/7/03 9:01:55 AM
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ICLRPD!
Owning UNIX is like being Godfather to Rosemary's Baby. A "dis"mal fate awaits
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Post #86,547
3/7/03 4:21:59 PM
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No, no, no! Software doesn't go to IBM to die...
it goes to CA.
bcnu,
Mikem
Osama bin Laden's brother could fly in US airspace 9/15/01, but I had to wait for FBI and CIA background checks, 'nuff said?
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Post #86,579
3/7/03 6:39:26 PM
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Just going through the complaint...
The complaint [link|http://www.sco.com/scosource/complaint3.06.03.html|HERE]. Quoted from the Complaint at SCO's site... Limitations of Linux Before IBM\ufffds Involvement
82. Linux started as a hobby project of a 19-year old student. Linux has evolved through bits and pieces of various contributions by numerous software developers using single processor computers. Virtually none of these software developers and hobbyists had access to enterprise-scale equipment and testing facilities for Linux development. Without access to such equipment, facilities, sophisticated methods, concepts and coordinated know-how, it would be difficult or impossible for the Linux development community to create a grade of Linux adequate for enterprise use.
83. As long as the Linux development process remained uncoordinated and random, it posed little or no threat to SCO, or to other UNIX vendors, for at least two major reasons: (a) Linux quality was inadequate since it was not developed and tested in coordination for enterprise use and (b) enterprise customer acceptance was non-existent because Linux was viewed by enterprise customers as a \ufffdfringe\ufffd software product.
84. Prior to IBM\ufffds involvement, Linux was the software equivalent of a bicycle. UNIX was the software equivalent of a luxury car. To make Linux of necessary quality for use by enterprise customers, it must be re-designed so that Linux also becomes the software equivalent of a luxury car. This re-design is not technologically feasible or even possible at the enterprise level without (1) a high degree of design coordination, (2) access to expensive and sophisticated design and testing equipment; (3) access to UNIX code, methods and concepts; (4) UNIX architectural experience; and (5) a very significant financial investment.
85. For example, Linux is currently capable of coordinating the simultaneous performance of 4 computer processors. UNIX, on the other hand, commonly links 16 processors and can successfully link up to 32 processors for simultaneous operation. This difference in memory management performance is very significant to enterprise customers who need extremely high computing capabilities for complex tasks. The ability to accomplish this task successfully has taken AT&T, Novell and SCO at least 20 years, with access to expensive equipment for design and testing, well-trained UNIX engineers and a wealth of experience in UNIX methods and concepts.
86. It is not possible for Linux to rapidly reach UNIX performance standards for complete enterprise functionality without the misappropriation of UNIX code, methods or concepts to achieve such performance, and coordination by a larger developer, such as IBM. Now, I distinctly remember while I was at Genzink Steel... I replaced the SCO box with an HP-UX machine... Then added to the setup with Linux... back about 2.0.20 Kernel timing... I got a Series of 12 Letters and Pamphlets from SCO... all of them said basically "IGNORE that TOY OS it is not secure or as Powerful/Scalable as SCO"... and one was even ~25 pages long... about HOW much better SCO was than Linux. This was A LONG time before IBM got involved... and they were bitching about it then. WTF gives... they change the subject as often as they change the name of the company. I believe Caldera/SCO/SCO-Group/Volera/USL/BlahBlahBlah Inc... has a really bad case of Sourgrapes on this issue. They have literally given themselves the Kiss of Death, they are pushing the <CRUSH> button themselves and putting a jam in place to hold it depressed... I was sure CALDERA had cleaned up SCO's act... until the change to SCO-Group. Ever since then... this company has done nothing but GRUB... Taking "statements" for the "second or third or fourth" meanings... Very un-impressed... The Fact that SuSE has decided to put SCO on Notice... tells me a lot. UNIX was devalued the instant they tried to "DO" Monterey... which was exactly doomed from the begining. I saw that back in 1996. BLAH BLAH BLAH... IBM Cut your loses, buy SCO for that $1 Billion... and liquidate the assets... and revive Caldera Open Linux... making it IBM SCOpen-LinAIX, putting ALL your effort into it... b4k4^2
| [link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT | | [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!] | | [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004] | Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
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Post #86,588
3/7/03 7:05:10 PM
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IBM doesn't think that they will lose...
According to rumor...
[link|http://newsforge.com/comments.pl?sid=29717&threshold=0&commentsort=0&mode=thread&tid=&pid=45535#45538|http://newsforge.com...=&pid=45535#45538]
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #86,648
3/7/03 11:00:22 PM
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ABSOLUTE MUST READ...REFUTES SCO/CALDERA... REALLY!!!!
[link|http://www.linux.org.uk/SMP/title.html|READ the Sponsor] of this... A Quote from the page: At the moment I am developing using a Caldera provided ASUS P54PNIP4 motherboard with 32Mb of RAM. This has been deliberately loaded down with as much junk hardware for testing as I can lay my hands on. Just continue on... nothing to see here (says Caldera) b4k4^2
| [link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT | | [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!] | | [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004] | Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints. |
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Post #86,649
3/7/03 11:00:46 PM
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ABSOLUTE MUST READ...REFUTES SCO/CALDERA... REALLY!!!!
[link|http://www.linux.org.uk/SMP/title.html|READ the Sponsor] of this... A Quote from the page: At the moment I am developing using a Caldera provided ASUS P54PNIP4 motherboard with 32Mb of RAM. This has been deliberately loaded down with as much junk hardware for testing as I can lay my hands on. Just continue on... nothing to see here (says Caldera) b4k4^2
| [link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT | | [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!] | | [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004] | Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints. |
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Post #86,847
3/9/03 1:49:32 AM
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IBM is a sleeping giant
I predict that IBM may end up buying out Caldera/SCO like they have so many other companies that have challenged them. :)
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