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New SCO sues IBM over Linux and Unix tech
[link|http://news.com.com/2100-1016-991464.html?tag=fd_top|from news.com.com.com.com...]

SCO is sueing IBM for $1 billion and say saying they will revoke IBM's AIX license if they don't comply. They claim IBM has missapropriated SCO tech into linux.

Give SCO the kiss of death. I don't expect them to stand a chance against IBM's lawyers and the inevitable countersuit. And I wouldn't be surprised if IBM retaliates by phasing out future support for SCO's OSs.

David "LordBeatnik"
New Piss on the everloving Santa Cr00z Operashun
-drl
New Suicide by cop

This is suicide by cop[1].

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Or it's something similarly twisted. SCO is simply dead. The back \r\nstory may be interesting though.

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The news.com story notes that SCO may be pissed over the failure of \r\nProject Monterey, which was aimed at reimplementing GNU/Linux as a \r\nproprietary Unix for the Itanic (that's just so wrong so many ways I \r\nwon't even start).

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Just a few off-the-cuff observations.

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  • You don't launch a land war in Asia.
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  • Similarly: you don't launch a billion-dollar patent battle with\r\nIBM, if your strategy is in fact to win that battle.
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  • Corrolary of the above is that you're either trying to lose, you're\r\nnot calling the shots, or you're aiming to win another battle. \r\nThese are not mutually exclusive, though options 2 & 3 are the most\r\nlikely pairing.
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  • Aside: IBM generates over $1b (approaching 1.5b IIRC) annually in \r\npatent licensing revenues. Their patent portfolio numbers over\r\n22,000. IBM is the single largest holder and recipient of US patent\r\ngrants.
  • \r\n\r\n
  • Theory: somebody's trying to sow patent problems for IBM, and/or \r\ntie up IBM legal in a suit, while somebody else pulls a fast one.
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  • Theory: Caldera wants to prod IBM into reviving the DR-DOS suit (or\r\nsomething similar) against Microsoft (or other parties). I find \r\nthis unlikely, but mention it for completeness.
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  • Theory: Caldera's management is trying to avoid breach-of-\r\nfiduciary-interest or other similar charges, while disposing of the\r\ncompany while putatively pursuing a fiduciary interest of the\r\ncompany.
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  • Theory: This is Wang v. Netscape again. In that case, Microsoft \r\nbought a significant interest in the dying Wang corporation, and \r\nWang pursued patent suits against Netscape. The patent was \r\neventually invalidated, but such battles are costly.
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  • Theory: (left field variety) LFP or similar[2] have corraled \r\nCaldera into making a blatent demonstration of just how broken the \r\npatent system is by going after its (the patent system's) largest \r\nbeneficiary.
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Watch this space. Interesting.

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________________________________________

\r\nNotes:\r\n\r\n
    \r\n
  1. If you're not familiar with the term: a perp assaults a police\r\nofficer, in such a way that the cop has to use deadly force. This being\r\nthe apparently desired outcome of the perp.
  2. \r\n
  3. LPF: League for Programming Freedom, an anti-patent group\r\nassociated with Richard M. Stallman.
  4. \r\n
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--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New OT does Microsoft still hold the Xenix patents?
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
\ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
New IIRC they sold them to SCO
and over the years SCO has changed Xenix into SCO Unix, etc. Microsoft continued to use Xenix for its mail servers, etc for a while until they invented their own server software.

Imagine what would have happened if Microsoft had kept Xenix and used it instead of MS-DOS?


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New and improved, Chicken Delvits!]
New Or, perhaps they intend to offer IBM an easy way out . .
. . buy the company.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New eye bim to "own" unix hmmm
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
\ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
New Yeah, scarry, huh?
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Yeah, for IBM!
Owning UNIX is like being Godfather to Rosemary's Baby. A "dis"mal fate awaits. What was that cursed cultural icon - James Dean's deathcar?
-drl
New Porsche 356 Speedster.
New ICLRPD!
Owning UNIX is like being Godfather to Rosemary's Baby. A "dis"mal fate awaits
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
\ufffdOmni Gaul Delenda est!\ufffd Ceasar
New No, no, no! Software doesn't go to IBM to die...
it goes to CA.
bcnu,
Mikem

Osama bin Laden's brother could fly in US airspace 9/15/01, but I had to wait for FBI and CIA background checks, 'nuff said?
New Just going through the complaint...
The complaint [link|http://www.sco.com/scosource/complaint3.06.03.html|HERE].

Quoted from the Complaint at SCO's site...
Limitations of Linux Before IBM\ufffds Involvement
82. Linux started as a hobby project of a 19-year old student. Linux has evolved through bits and pieces of various contributions by numerous software developers using single processor computers. Virtually none of these software developers and hobbyists had access to enterprise-scale equipment and testing facilities for Linux development. Without access to such equipment, facilities, sophisticated methods, concepts and coordinated know-how, it would be difficult or impossible for the Linux development community to create a grade of Linux adequate for enterprise use.

83. As long as the Linux development process remained uncoordinated and random, it posed little or no threat to SCO, or to other UNIX vendors, for at least two major reasons: (a) Linux quality was inadequate since it was not developed and tested in coordination for enterprise use and (b) enterprise customer acceptance was non-existent because Linux was viewed by enterprise customers as a \ufffdfringe\ufffd software product.

84. Prior to IBM\ufffds involvement, Linux was the software equivalent of a bicycle. UNIX was the software equivalent of a luxury car. To make Linux of necessary quality for use by enterprise customers, it must be re-designed so that Linux also becomes the software equivalent of a luxury car. This re-design is not technologically feasible or even possible at the enterprise level without (1) a high degree of design coordination, (2) access to expensive and sophisticated design and testing equipment; (3) access to UNIX code, methods and concepts; (4) UNIX architectural experience; and (5) a very significant financial investment.

85. For example, Linux is currently capable of coordinating the simultaneous performance of 4 computer processors. UNIX, on the other hand, commonly links 16 processors and can successfully link up to 32 processors for simultaneous operation. This difference in memory management performance is very significant to enterprise customers who need extremely high computing capabilities for complex tasks. The ability to accomplish this task successfully has taken AT&T, Novell and SCO at least 20 years, with access to expensive equipment for design and testing, well-trained UNIX engineers and a wealth of experience in UNIX methods and concepts.

86. It is not possible for Linux to rapidly reach UNIX performance standards for complete enterprise functionality without the misappropriation of UNIX code, methods or concepts to achieve such performance, and coordination by a larger developer, such as IBM.


Now, I distinctly remember while I was at Genzink Steel... I replaced the SCO box with an HP-UX machine... Then added to the setup with Linux... back about 2.0.20 Kernel timing...

I got a Series of 12 Letters and Pamphlets from SCO... all of them said basically "IGNORE that TOY OS it is not secure or as Powerful/Scalable as SCO"... and one was even ~25 pages long... about HOW much better SCO was than Linux. This was A LONG time before IBM got involved... and they were bitching about it then. WTF gives... they change the subject as often as they change the name of the company.

I believe Caldera/SCO/SCO-Group/Volera/USL/BlahBlahBlah Inc... has a really bad case of Sourgrapes on this issue. They have literally given themselves the Kiss of Death, they are pushing the <CRUSH> button themselves and putting a jam in place to hold it depressed...

I was sure CALDERA had cleaned up SCO's act... until the change to SCO-Group. Ever since then... this company has done nothing but GRUB... Taking "statements" for the "second or third or fourth" meanings... Very un-impressed...

The Fact that SuSE has decided to put SCO on Notice... tells me a lot. UNIX was devalued the instant they tried to "DO" Monterey... which was exactly doomed from the begining. I saw that back in 1996.

BLAH BLAH BLAH...

IBM Cut your loses, buy SCO for that $1 Billion... and liquidate the assets... and revive Caldera Open Linux... making it IBM SCOpen-LinAIX, putting ALL your effort into it...
b4k4^2
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]   [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!]
[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
New IBM doesn't think that they will lose...
According to rumor...

[link|http://newsforge.com/comments.pl?sid=29717&threshold=0&commentsort=0&mode=thread&tid=&pid=45535#45538|http://newsforge.com...=&pid=45535#45538]

Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
New ABSOLUTE MUST READ...REFUTES SCO/CALDERA... REALLY!!!!
[link|http://www.linux.org.uk/SMP/title.html|READ the Sponsor] of this...
A Quote from the page:
At the moment I am developing using a Caldera provided ASUS P54PNIP4 motherboard with 32Mb of RAM. This has been deliberately loaded down with as much junk hardware for testing as I can lay my hands on.

Just continue on... nothing to see here (says Caldera)
b4k4^2
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]   [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!]
[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
New ABSOLUTE MUST READ...REFUTES SCO/CALDERA... REALLY!!!!
[link|http://www.linux.org.uk/SMP/title.html|READ the Sponsor] of this...
A Quote from the page:
At the moment I am developing using a Caldera provided ASUS P54PNIP4 motherboard with 32Mb of RAM. This has been deliberately loaded down with as much junk hardware for testing as I can lay my hands on.

Just continue on... nothing to see here (says Caldera)
b4k4^2
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]   [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!]
[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
New IBM is a sleeping giant
I predict that IBM may end up buying out Caldera/SCO like they have so many other companies that have challenged them. :)


[link|http://pub75.ezboard.com/bantiiwethey|
New and improved, Chicken Delvits!]
New Unix trademark, *no* patents

Two points people may want to note:

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First: The Unix trademark is held by The Open Group. It is\r\nnot held by SCO, the SCO Group, or Caldera. See:

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    \r\n
  • [link|http://www.UNIX-systems.org/questions_answers/faq.html|http://www.UNIX-systems.org/questions_answers/faq.html]
  • \r\n
  • [link|http://cbbrowne.com/info/unixtm.html|http://cbbrowne.com/info/unixtm.html]
  • \r\n
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Second: As Don Marti noted in a recent linux-elitists post: The SCO\r\nGroup holds no significant patents. None of the news items I've seen on\r\nthis issue has mentioned patents -- all have concerned trade secrets and\r\nthe like, with speculation that this falls out of the Monterey\r\nproject.

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From Don's post:

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\r\nFollowing up on my own post here.  I did a search on what happened              \r\nto the two patents assigned to the old SCO, as well as the Unix                 \r\npatents that came from USL or AT&T.                                             \r\n                                                                                \r\n    http://www.ssc.com/pipermail/atc/2003-March/000034.html                         \r\n                                                                                \r\nShort answer: SCO has no patents.                                               \r\n                                                                                \r\nIt's a little confusing, because there are two companies calling                \r\nthemseves "SCO" -- the "old SCO" was Santa Cruz Operation Inc. and              \r\nis now Tarentella.  The "new SCO" is The SCO Group, and used to                 \r\nbe Caldera.                                                                     \r\n                                                                                \r\n> 6,362,836 Universal application server for providing applications             \r\n> on a variety of client devices in a client/server network                     \r\n>                                                                               \r\n> 6,104,392 Method of displaying an application on a variety of client          \r\n> devices in a client/server network                                            \r\n                                                                                \r\n * December 2001: Santa Cruz Operation Inc. changes its name to                 \r\n   Tarantella Inc. Both of Santa Cruz Operation Inc.'s patents,                 \r\n   6,104,392 and 6,362,836, stay with Tarantella.                               \r\n                                                                                \r\nAnd also checked on Unix System Laboratories patents that went to               \r\nNovell -- but did not go to the old SCO.                                        \r\n                                                                                \r\n * November 1995: Unix System Laboratories Inc. assigns three patents           \r\n   to Novell: 5,652,854, 5,265,250 and 6,097,384.                               \r\n                                                                                \r\nNovell has assigned away only seven patents since 1980, when the                \r\nCASSIS2 records begin: two to Corel, one to Interlogis Inc. and                 \r\nthree to Volera Inc.                                                            \r\n                                                                                \r\nNovell never assigned a patent to _either_ SCO.                                 \r\n                                                                                \r\nCaldera (which now calls itself SCO) has never had a patent assigned            \r\nto it.                                                                          \r\n
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--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New "Boeis of Boeis" - How Bester-ish...
...but, more importantly, how peculiar: Didn't his name used to be spelled "Boies"?


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
New Having read the complaint, SCO was clearly doomed
Their case for having a good business opportunity is based on their not understanding the basics of disruptive markets.

Which Linux clearly was recognized to be well before IBM.

(I hope that IBM gets Larry Ellison to talk about why Oracle did their Linux port well before IBM made any noises of supporting Linux...)

Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
New Wait just a minute here...
This is the company formerlly known as Caldera, which renamed itself to SCO Group after buying out SCO products like UnixWare, etc.

How did IBM get its hands on Caldera/SCO source code? Caldera OpenLinux was open sourced, like most of the Linux distros out there. I was not aware that UnixWare was opened up to IBM.

Is Caldera/SCO claiming that it owns the Unix System V source code, and that any product based on that code or using that code or technology has to pay them royalties? I thought that Linux was written from the group up to System V standards, but not using System V code. Am I wrong here?

It is all so confusing I am not sure how a court of law could handle this. Also AIX is affected as well, apparently. IBM could always drop AIX and replace it with Linux if need be, or even *BSD if Linux is "contaminated" with Caldera/SCO source code and technologies.


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New and improved, Chicken Delvits!]
New System V Unix
All vendors of System V based Unix have been paying license fees to SCO with the exception of Sun Microsystems. Sun paid SCO a big lump sum for a perpetual no-fees license right after SCO bought Unix from Novell.

IBM has Unix source code which was the base for developing AIX, so they too have probably been paying some license fees to SCO.

There is no known Unix code in Linux. SCO is mainly acusing IBM of violating "trade secrets", not code copyrights.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Trade secrets, copyrights: vague claims

Trade secrets certainly seem to be the bulk of the claim. However,\r\ncopyright may or may not be included. The complaint is vague\r\n(deliberately IMO) on this point.

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Note that SCO may well have abandoned it trade secrets status by\r\ndistributing the same Linux kernel code itself.

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--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New IGM request: research on parties

I don't have time to dig for all the facts myself. If anyone could\r\nprovide a capsule (1-2 paragraph) background of the following actors I'd\r\nappreciate it.

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Law firms: recent major settlements, other associations, interesting\r\nfactoids (Boise, for example, is famously successful at losing\r\nhigh-profile cases).

\r\n\r\n
\r\n Brent O. Hatch (5715)
\r\n Mark F. James (5295)
\r\n HATCH, JAMES & DODGE, P.C.
\r\n 10 West Broadway,
\r\n Suite 400
\r\n Salt Lake City, Utah
\r\n 84101
\r\n
\r\n
\r\n David Boies
\r\n BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
\r\n 333 Main Street
\r\n Armonk, New York
\r\n 10504
\r\n
\r\n
\r\n Stephen N. Zack (Florida Bar No. 145215)
\r\n Mark J. Heise ( Florida Bar No. 771090)
\r\n
\r\n\r\n

Also, a capsule summary of Caldera / SCO. I'd like a paragraph or so of\r\neach firm from inception through the merger, and of activities\r\nsince.

\r\n\r\n

Credit given in the final bit (unless otherwise indicated) ;-)

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--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New hereya go
Stephen N. Zack
applicable department
[link|http://www.zacklaw.com/areas/growth_tech.asp|http://www.zacklaw.c...s/growth_tech.asp]
The Emerging Growth and Technology Group is strategically positioned within the Firm's strong Corporate and Securities Practice. Clients involved in this fast growing market are involved with developing, selling, licensing or acquiring technology products and services.
Clients are now, more than ever, in need of specialized legal counsel to guide them through this dynamic and evolving area of the law. The group's lawyers work with clients to structure and negotiate transactions and to assist with the preparation of detailed legal agreements.
The Firm represents clients ranging from start-ups to publicly traded companies and international clients needing legal services related to intellectual property, technology development, licensing and transfer, internet and e-commerce matters and related corporate finance and commercial matters.

background
the usual suspects
[link|http://www.zacklaw.com/firm/profile_s_n_zack.asp|http://www.zacklaw.c...file_s_n_zack.asp]
SIGNIFICANT REPRESENTATIONS

* Special counsel to Florida's former Governor and now U.S. Senator, Bob Graham.
* Florida Senate.
* Florida Department of Professional Regulation.
* Cities of Hollywood, Hialeah, Miami Beach, and Miami.
* Nationwide multi-district managed care class action against Humana, Aetna, United, Cigna, Foundation, Prudential and Pacificare
* Nationwide multi-district dimunition in value class action against Ford Motor Co. and Bridgestone Firestone
* Philip Morris
licensed in Florida and New York as well as federal 5,11 and Supreme Court
*********************************
*********************************
Mark J Heise is hard to pin down. He was board certified as a criminal Lawyer. The only thing I can find is he started Heise Markarian Foreman, P.A in 2000 and was lead litigator on the Miami Parking Tax law suit to the State Supreme Court. He might just be a subcontractor to the above firm.
thanx,
Bill

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"If you want to meet a group of people who have a profound distrust of, and hostility toward, our legal system, don't waste your time on political radicals; interview a random selection of crime victims, and you will probably find that they make the former group look like utopian idealists by comparison." Dave Robicheaux
New Danke! Anyone care to tackle the rest?
--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New Analysis of complaint

Don't worry, just a link.

\r\n\r\n

You'll find most of the 120k bytes [link|http://lists.alt.org/pipermail/fsl-discuss/2003-March/000763.html|here].

\r\n\r\n

Capsule:

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    \r\n
  • Gross misrepresentation of SCO's market significance. That a\r\nhas-been bit-player with annual revenues of several tens of millions of\r\ndollars can claim $1b damanges is ludicrous.
  • \r\n\r\n
  • A funhouse-mirror timeline, accuracy not improved by lack of\r\ntimestamps. In this and other details, the complaint is deliberately\r\nvague in a way that's almost comical.
  • \r\n\r\n
  • A gross lack of attention to factors mitigating the value of SCO's Unix\r\ncopyright and trade secrets value, including several well known\r\nwholesale publications of code, several standards based on Unix and\r\nPOSIX, and wholesale independent implementations.
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  • To say nothing of an unfathomably broad implied definition of what\r\nthe "SOFTWARE WORK" IBM licensed from IBM in 1985 was.
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  • Yet another gross mispreresentation of SCO's direct involvment in\r\nUnix development (is it just me or do others have to catch themselves\r\nand not write "Linux" for "Unix"?). The one major direct investment SCO\r\ndid make was a foolhardy IA64 port in 1998. Five years later,\r\nneither the port, nor the chip, are at market.
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  • Much handwaving and little specificity in wailing allegations of\r\ncopyright infringement. Which may have occured, it's conceivable. But\r\nnot with the implications SCO would have one believe. Apparently\r\nlimited to printer drivers (the IBM Omni print drivers?) and unspecified\r\nkernel-level improvements.
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  • A hugely insulting slandar of the abilities and accomplishments of\r\nLinux and other free software developers capabilities and\r\naccomplishments.
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But you really want to read the whole thing. So do. And comment.\r\nAnd help fill in the blanks.

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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
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   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New Forwarded this link...
To a bunch of Corporate lawyer-type people with little or nothing to do except read and get back to you or me...

Though this doesn't mean they will... A good friend of mine, a Computer/Technology Lawyer with a PhD in CS and Case Law... has been working on a similar document.

If he contacts you, please say thank you.... :)
b4k4^2
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[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
New Re: Forwarded this link...

Thanks. Be interested to see what the lawyers have to say. The\r\ncontract and copyright aspects in particular would be interesting to get\r\nlegal gloss on.

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Regards forwarding this elsewhere: I've already been contacted by\r\nNewsForge who are offering to run a cleaned-up version of this, likely\r\ntomorrow if I can clean it up tonight. Which is about right. The main\r\nplace I'd like to get this is to IBM -- I think there are a few insights\r\nwhich might help them (I'm vain that way). SCO may be interested in\r\ngiving it a read as well -- if they can be convinced to quit while\r\nthey're well behind, so much the better.

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--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
     SCO sues IBM over Linux and Unix tech - (lordbeatnik) - (28)
         Piss on the everloving Santa Cr00z Operashun -NT - (deSitter)
         Suicide by cop - (kmself) - (14)
             OT does Microsoft still hold the Xenix patents? -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                 IIRC they sold them to SCO - (orion)
             Or, perhaps they intend to offer IBM an easy way out . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6)
                 eye bim to "own" unix hmmm -NT - (boxley) - (5)
                     Yeah, scarry, huh? -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
                         Yeah, for IBM! - (deSitter) - (2)
                             Porsche 356 Speedster. -NT - (CRConrad)
                             ICLRPD! - (boxley)
                     No, no, no! Software doesn't go to IBM to die... - (mmoffitt)
             Just going through the complaint... - (folkert) - (4)
                 IBM doesn't think that they will lose... - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                     ABSOLUTE MUST READ...REFUTES SCO/CALDERA... REALLY!!!! - (folkert)
                     ABSOLUTE MUST READ...REFUTES SCO/CALDERA... REALLY!!!! - (folkert)
                     IBM is a sleeping giant - (orion)
         Unix trademark, *no* patents - (kmself)
         "Boeis of Boeis" - How Bester-ish... - (CRConrad)
         Having read the complaint, SCO was clearly doomed - (ben_tilly)
         Wait just a minute here... - (orion) - (2)
             System V Unix - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                 Trade secrets, copyrights: vague claims - (kmself)
         IGM request: research on parties - (kmself) - (2)
             hereya go - (boxley) - (1)
                 Danke! Anyone care to tackle the rest? -NT - (kmself)
         Analysis of complaint - (kmself) - (2)
             Forwarded this link... - (folkert) - (1)
                 Re: Forwarded this link... - (kmself)

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