You 'read' OK; it's your logic that's rilly Econ-fluffy

Post #83,489 by Ashton 2/23/03 3:52:33 AM Reply	You 'read' OK; it's your logic that's rilly Econ-fluffy The [link\|http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/unrep.htm\|Unrepresentative sample] fallacy. (For just one - want more?) You wish to impute that, possible general motivations of organizers of an Event (in this case simply, ~ Anti this war) inhere to all participants of a merely, conveniently organized locus around which to collect like-minded others. A 'Communist' may oppose a War or a particular kind of marketing, whatever her feelings about government theory. A Calvinist might organize against the same perceived ill as a ___. Or even a Christian might have the same view as a Hottentot - re propaganda. You imagine that you may dismiss most-all the participants as being 'dupes' at best; fellow-[whatever epithet] at worst. Smarmy that; mainly - flawed. But typical of Murican politico-babble as practiced by the mob. Label it and you can ignore it: that's your ostrich position. Congrats: yer average. Ashton
Post #83,519 by bepatient 2/23/03 11:05:52 AM Reply	Nothing like that. Common causes have always made strange bedfellows. But ignorance of the >reasoning< underneath is just as egregious an error as the one you accuse me of...being dismissive. We are back to that dude getting pissed of at Rush. He took offense at Rush's statement that some protesters, pricipally the organizers were communists. He found >the TRUTH< offensive. I have never stated that there were not honest people with honest disagreements to this situation. Never once. In fact...I have stated the opposite. All my statements have surrounded the fact that the majority of these folks have NO IDEA of the machine underneath...and if they did...they may be forced to think about it again. Not that it would change their opinion...just that it would ensure that it was well thought out. Might even make some of them more active in arranging their >own< protests...that would be better received by the meed-ja...cause ANSWER does a disservice to the cause here. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #83,657 by Ashton 2/24/03 5:54:42 AM Reply	Odd you should mention "machines underneath" But that would be too long a digression. I'll still wait for the Hawk Demonstration. hmmm if the Communists are for fairness, perhaps they will help organize that too? But will it be believable.. Ashton
Post #83,675 by bepatient 2/24/03 7:30:35 AM Reply	No its not. Or do you think these all "spontaneous". Even you aren't that dense. Digress away You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #83,872 by Ashton 2/24/03 8:21:46 PM Reply	Now we get to.. Suddenly it's 1950 Look Beep - that phrase is from the same slogan-factory as invented "Commies / queers in our schools tryin to subvert naive students to their Evil Way of Life\ufffd" cha cha cha. It is also a subset of the mindset (at root) "Our 'democracy' is so fragile.. we dare not let innocents be exposed to rebuttals, suggestions or outright Other! Schemes\ufffd" ie We Are Such Children! In your present example, clearly inferred is: "that none/few/a lot fewer/ people would Want to protest against this scheduled war' lessen duped into it. Being easily led: these suggestible folks Went Along With Commyunists -- ergo their protest is now dev/null [How Very Convenient]. How very didgithink. How very bogus, especially on its reiteration over the decades. Those of us who heard this crap the first time around - are rather sensitive to its latest cant-form. It's so so Econ-like in its simplistic implications, y'know? Ashton PS - are most people inept at organizing demonstrations? Yes they/we are. Does 'organizing' a demonstration mean any more than: Porta-potties, maybe buses are needed when (X>'a few') people congregate ?? Personally I don't give a fuck if a Cthulhuist or even a {Christian} organizes A March to Demonstrate My Opposition to [A Government Action] \ufffd. I need not sacrifice A) a virgin or B) my conscience to pop-God Machiavelli -- in the first or second option.
Post #83,942 by bepatient 2/25/03 12:27:05 AM Reply	I wonder how many... ...in being "organized" this way, have donated to causes that they would >never< support...all in the name of "peace". Noone was "duped" into protesting. They went of their own free will. The organizers were less than forthright in providing details of who they are and what they stand for. Witness, as has been stated several times, the reaction of some of these fine Americans when confronted with the reality of the situation. My position is simple..and completely opposite of what you pretend it to be. In your (mangled) language...the "innocents" deserve all of the facts. Facts that have been deliberately hidden from them in order to further an agenda that they >may< not want furthered. You further try to imply that I somehow nullify the honest opinions held by the protesters. Nice try. They have every right to their opinion and my respect of it. They also have every right to be informed of who they are with..and who is calling the shots..and should they donate cash...what that cash will be used for. Do you think that fine, upstanding American who was so offended by Rush's statements would sit well with knowing that money raised at these functions is used to attempt to free a convicted cop-killer, for example? Do you think, at least, that this man has a right to know this? You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #84,021 by Silverlock 2/25/03 1:39:47 PM Reply	This is just delicious My position is simple..and completely opposite of what you pretend it to be. In your (mangled) language...the "innocents" deserve all of the facts. Facts that have been deliberately hidden from them in order to further an agenda that they >may< not want furthered. Just what is happenning with that whitewash^H^H^H^H^H^H^H investigative committee to determine how 9/11 could have happened? Who was on the energy advisory committe to determine this nation's energy policy? And on and on and on...... How many lives per gallon? --Sign outside of various churches
Post #84,047 by bepatient 2/25/03 2:57:31 PM Reply	And this has precisely what to do with anything? Are you inventing something? You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #84,051 by Silverlock 2/25/03 3:08:01 PM Reply	Nope. Just pointing out something I find ironic. How many lives per gallon? --Sign outside of various churches
Post #84,057 by bepatient 2/25/03 3:23:41 PM Reply	Ironic in what sense? You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #84,062 by Silverlock 2/25/03 4:06:22 PM Reply	Oh, come on. facts hidden from those who need them to make informed choices. You see it in anti-gov forces. I see it in our own gov as well. How many lives per gallon? --Sign outside of various churches
Post #84,098 by bepatient 2/25/03 5:44:52 PM Reply	No question. Just pressing to make sure. Why? Because (hold on to your chair)...I happen to agree that it exists inside and outside the beltway. So we agree. Don't let it happen again. Move along. Nothing to see here ;) You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

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