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Post #79,423 by Arkadiy 2/5/03 5:09:24 AM Reply	No But SNMP poller that has to poll millions of objects on tens of thousands of targets is. C++ may suck at string manipulation (even that can be remedied with good libraries (not STL)). But, in the hands of a good programmer, it's a sharp tool. Much like Java, C++ is what you make of it. Want garbage collection? Use a library. Want super-fast memory allocation, pre-sorted according to chunk size? Use another library. The fact that Java has library built into the language does not make it unique or particularly good. -- We have only 2 things to worry about: That things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.
Post #79,444 by admin 2/5/03 8:40:45 AM Reply	But, in the hands of a good programmer, it's a sharp tool. And as the number of pairs of hands increases, the opportunities for screwing things up increases as well. Not that I'm disputing your example of a good place to use C++. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #79,471 by Arkadiy 2/5/03 10:05:14 AM Reply	Like Cathie Ryan said... "it's not that hard to operate on a patient with AIDS - you just have to be careful and limit the number of hands in the operating field" -- We have only 2 things to worry about: That things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.

Re: There is NOTHING wrong with pointers! - (admin) - (46) - Feb. 4, 2003, 01:55:10 PM EST

Re: There is NOTHING wrong with pointers! - (dshellman) - (5) - Feb. 4, 2003, 02:57:39 PM EST

Cross-platform can be nasty. - (admin) - Feb. 4, 2003, 03:38:34 PM EST

Er,...really? - (jb4) - (3) - Feb. 4, 2003, 06:47:07 PM EST

Java pointer problems - (ChrisR) - (2) - Feb. 4, 2003, 09:32:06 PM EST

OT: threading - (admin) - Feb. 4, 2003, 09:36:29 PM EST

Just a nit - (dshellman) - Feb. 7, 2003, 01:13:26 PM EST

Re: There is NOTHING wrong with pointers! - (deSitter) - (1) - Feb. 4, 2003, 03:20:17 PM EST

Re: There is NOTHING wrong with pointers! - (admin) - Feb. 4, 2003, 03:40:40 PM EST

I guess I don't see the problems with the compiler - (jb4) - (33) - Feb. 4, 2003, 06:40:12 PM EST

Hmmmm - seems this thread got derailed due to ... - (dmarker) - (27) - Feb. 4, 2003, 08:02:51 PM EST

Java isn't a systems language at all, IMO. - (admin) - (26) - Feb. 4, 2003, 08:14:34 PM EST

I sure wouldn't use Java for Systems work - (dmarker) - (25) - Feb. 4, 2003, 09:18:47 PM EST

Which brings up the point: what IS systems work - (admin) - (24) - Feb. 4, 2003, 09:33:10 PM EST

The other aspect is... - (ChrisR) - (18) - Feb. 4, 2003, 09:40:25 PM EST

Stroustrup has a great quote about that: - (admin) - Feb. 4, 2003, 09:47:11 PM EST

Which is why C/C++ can be easily integrated with anything - (Arkadiy) - (16) - Feb. 5, 2003, 05:12:16 AM EST

*C* is the lingua franca. - (admin) - (15) - Feb. 5, 2003, 08:42:14 AM EST

ObjectiveC++ - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 5, 2003, 02:48:48 PM EST

Welcom to my nightmare! - (jb4) - (13) - Feb. 10, 2003, 10:02:27 AM EST

ABI: Application Binary Interface - (admin) - (12) - Feb. 10, 2003, 10:18:32 AM EST

I used to think Direct To SOM compilers would fix this - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Feb. 10, 2003, 10:27:21 AM EST

Some progress has been made. - (admin) - Feb. 10, 2003, 10:41:40 AM EST

Snide remark and a question - (jb4) - (5) - Feb. 10, 2003, 03:30:19 PM EST

Snide response. - (admin) - Feb. 10, 2003, 04:14:16 PM EST

Libraries - remember those? - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Feb. 10, 2003, 04:26:03 PM EST

Exactly. - (admin) - Feb. 10, 2003, 04:28:16 PM EST

Reality check: why libraries matter: - (admin) - Feb. 10, 2003, 06:19:37 PM EST

Libraries - remember those? - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 10, 2003, 05:53:57 PM EST

a day late and a dollar short...but extern "C" - (Simon_Jester) - (3) - Feb. 13, 2003, 12:28:21 AM EST

For a 3rd party module? No. - (admin) - (2) - Feb. 13, 2003, 09:02:41 AM EST

If you export C++ mangled functions, you're screwed. - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Feb. 13, 2003, 11:25:16 AM EST

Or, rather: Export C++ mangled functions in a lib you sell.. - (CRConrad) - Feb. 13, 2003, 05:40:18 PM EST

Simple - (deSitter) - Feb. 4, 2003, 11:33:33 PM EST

No - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Feb. 5, 2003, 05:09:24 AM EST

But, in the hands of a good programmer, it's a sharp tool. - (admin) - (1) - Feb. 5, 2003, 08:40:45 AM EST

Like Cathie Ryan said... - (Arkadiy) - Feb. 5, 2003, 10:05:14 AM EST

Friend of a Friend - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 5, 2003, 02:21:58 PM EST

Re: I guess I don't see the problems with the compiler - (admin) - (2) - Feb. 4, 2003, 08:13:12 PM EST

OK, here's where we agree to disagree, and agree to agree... - (jb4) - (1) - Feb. 10, 2003, 03:10:35 PM EST

Re: OK, here's where we agree to disagree, and agree to agre - (admin) - Feb. 10, 2003, 04:25:58 PM EST

Geronimo! - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 5, 2003, 01:55:33 PM EST

Attacking Java doesn't make C++ better - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 5, 2003, 02:38:37 PM EST

does the content of this thread indicate Bryce is right? :-) -NT - (boxley) - (3) - Feb. 5, 2003, 03:09:20 PM EST

Inasmuch as: - (admin) - Feb. 5, 2003, 03:14:05 PM EST

C++ implements OO programming - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 5, 2003, 03:23:37 PM EST

Not at all. - (static) - Feb. 7, 2003, 06:44:29 AM EST

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