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Post #65,447
by mhuber
11/27/02 11:38:51 AM
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New That's describing, not defining
Science describes a large set of observations. Whether that set of observations is or reveals reality or not is a question for philosophy, not science.

Most philosophers got bored with this particular question a few decades ago. It is generaly considered not answerable.

It doesn't matter anyway. Whether kicking a rock makes your foot hurt or God's dream of you kicking His dream of a rock makes Him dream that your foot hurts, it is advisible to avoid it.

The reason that it makes a difference in The Matrix is that there are ways to exploit incompleteness in the illusion. In a perfect Matrix, neither pill works.
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Post #65,481
by Ashton
11/27/02 2:34:32 PM
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New Hah.. the ontological proof of
.. a guaranteed Uncertainty. :-\ufffd

Siva opens eyes: a Universe appears.
Closes eyes: a Universe disappears.

[link|http://www.recmusic.org/lieder/b/blake/tyger.html| Tiger!] Tiger! burning bright
In the forests of the night:
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

In what distant deeps or skies
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand dare seize the fire?

And what shoulder, & what art,
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand? & what dread feet?

What the hammer? what the chain?
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? what dread grasp
Dare its deadly terrors clasp?

When the stars threw down their spears,
And water'd heaven with their tears,
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Lamb make thee?

Tiger! Tiger! burning bright
In the forests of the night:
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
     The Universe is an illusion - (orion) - (35) - Oct. 11, 2002, 07:31:40 AM EDT
         The universe is an artifact of our mode of perception. - (Andrew Grygus) - (29) - Oct. 11, 2002, 11:05:06 AM EDT
             I think you mean.... - (tseliot) - (27) - Oct. 12, 2002, 10:18:02 PM EDT
                 What I mean is . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (23) - Oct. 12, 2002, 11:42:01 PM EDT
                     Nice one - (Ashton) - Oct. 13, 2002, 07:41:30 AM EDT
                     What I was getting at... - (tseliot) - (2) - Oct. 18, 2002, 12:01:09 PM EDT
                         I believe this conundrum is of the class, - (Ashton) - Oct. 18, 2002, 03:31:45 PM EDT
                         But that is not how I stated it - (Andrew Grygus) - Oct. 18, 2002, 10:20:13 PM EDT
                     Can you define "reality", then? - (Arkadiy) - (18) - Nov. 26, 2002, 02:17:37 PM EST
                         Defining reality as we perceive it . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (4) - Nov. 26, 2002, 04:17:23 PM EST
                             Not quite sure how to answer this one - (Arkadiy) - Nov. 26, 2002, 04:57:04 PM EST
                             Color perception - (Ashton) - Nov. 26, 2002, 07:00:16 PM EST
                             That's describing, not defining - (mhuber) - (1) - Nov. 27, 2002, 11:38:51 AM EST
                                 Hah.. the ontological proof of - (Ashton) - Nov. 27, 2002, 02:34:32 PM EST
                         "reality" bites -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 26, 2002, 07:13:02 PM EST
                         There is no reality - (orion) - (11) - Nov. 26, 2002, 11:53:30 PM EST
                             Oh dear...here come the Vogons. - (bepatient) - Nov. 27, 2002, 12:42:05 AM EST
                             Well, God shouldn't have . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (9) - Nov. 27, 2002, 05:59:44 AM EST
                                 Well, put that way... - (folkert) - (8) - Nov. 27, 2002, 08:36:02 AM EST
                                     Prolly it's just that - (Ashton) - (7) - Nov. 27, 2002, 02:42:33 PM EST
                                         She Who Must Be Obeyed? - (admin) - (6) - Nov. 27, 2002, 03:11:09 PM EST
                                             Hubbard? Umm "Rumpole of the Bailey" - (Ashton) - (5) - Nov. 27, 2002, 03:29:30 PM EST
                                                 Haggard, sorry, and yes he did lift it: - (admin) - Nov. 27, 2002, 03:40:41 PM EST
                                                 And he played a wonderfully fallen character in "Ladyhawke". - (static) - (3) - Nov. 27, 2002, 09:57:33 PM EST
                                                     One of my all time favorite fantasy films. - (Silverlock) - (2) - Nov. 28, 2002, 12:35:56 AM EST
                                                         Rutger Haeur was upstaged. - (static) - Nov. 28, 2002, 08:29:53 PM EST
                                                         Pregnanat Molly Ivins sig there.. - (Ashton) - Nov. 29, 2002, 04:04:48 AM EST
                 There was a Dilbert (!) cartoon about that. - (static) - (2) - Oct. 14, 2002, 07:34:34 AM EDT
                     Found it. - (static) - (1) - Oct. 14, 2002, 08:36:02 AM EDT
                         Think it beats several examples of fuzzier logic - extant. -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 28, 2002, 03:08:33 AM EST
             "A physicist is just an atom's way of looking at itself." - (a6l6e6x) - Oct. 13, 2002, 12:36:51 PM EDT
         Down that road lies madness and despair. - (marlowe) - (2) - Oct. 13, 2002, 09:03:40 AM EDT
             OTOH it can be a perfectly workable intro - (Ashton) - Oct. 13, 2002, 05:14:29 PM EDT
             Unfortunately, that's the fact of the matter - (mhuber) - Oct. 14, 2002, 12:31:51 AM EDT
         Already covered - (Silverlock) - Oct. 18, 2002, 05:07:49 PM EDT
         You all forgot - (orion) - Oct. 27, 2002, 09:57:51 PM EST

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