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Post #56,463
by marlowe
10/13/02 9:03:40 AM
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New Down that road lies madness and despair.
The universe doesn't give a flip what you or I think of it. And it's bigger and stronger than you. Always remember that, and you and the universe won't get along too badly.

Freud's single most valuable insight was the Reality Principle. You can chuck all the rest - in fact you probably should chuck most of it - but don't chuck that.
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The nihilists and the liars have buried truth alive in a shallow grave.
"The US party calls in mortar fire on the enemy positions. The UN party stands up, climbs over the lip of the trench, and recites Robert\ufffds Rules of Order as it approaches the machine-gun positions." - Lileks
Post #56,548
by Ashton
10/13/02 5:14:29 PM
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New OTOH it can be a perfectly workable intro
for those able and willing to face certain internal matters without buffering what is noted, especially the contradictions. (And a great preparation for realizing that most 'We Know' is false - a truly scary thought for any autodidact)

Not all minds work the same. Fortunately.




Mindless in Seattle
Post #56,590
by mhuber
10/14/02 12:31:51 AM
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New Unfortunately, that's the fact of the matter
Sure, the universe is out there and real. And probably vaguely resembles what you and I experience in a few ways.

What we experience, however, is perception, not the universe. What we see depends more on how eyes work than what's there to see. How we interpret perception to build our idea of the universe has more to do with how minds work than how reality works. In short, the universe we know is mostly illusion.

And that's one of those facts that doesn't care what you think.

Realizing the nature of self and other is a fundimental step.

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Whatever
     The Universe is an illusion - (orion) - (35) - Oct. 11, 2002, 07:31:40 AM EDT
         The universe is an artifact of our mode of perception. - (Andrew Grygus) - (29) - Oct. 11, 2002, 11:05:06 AM EDT
             I think you mean.... - (tseliot) - (27) - Oct. 12, 2002, 10:18:02 PM EDT
                 What I mean is . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (23) - Oct. 12, 2002, 11:42:01 PM EDT
                     Nice one - (Ashton) - Oct. 13, 2002, 07:41:30 AM EDT
                     What I was getting at... - (tseliot) - (2) - Oct. 18, 2002, 12:01:09 PM EDT
                         I believe this conundrum is of the class, - (Ashton) - Oct. 18, 2002, 03:31:45 PM EDT
                         But that is not how I stated it - (Andrew Grygus) - Oct. 18, 2002, 10:20:13 PM EDT
                     Can you define "reality", then? - (Arkadiy) - (18) - Nov. 26, 2002, 02:17:37 PM EST
                         Defining reality as we perceive it . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (4) - Nov. 26, 2002, 04:17:23 PM EST
                             Not quite sure how to answer this one - (Arkadiy) - Nov. 26, 2002, 04:57:04 PM EST
                             Color perception - (Ashton) - Nov. 26, 2002, 07:00:16 PM EST
                             That's describing, not defining - (mhuber) - (1) - Nov. 27, 2002, 11:38:51 AM EST
                                 Hah.. the ontological proof of - (Ashton) - Nov. 27, 2002, 02:34:32 PM EST
                         "reality" bites -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 26, 2002, 07:13:02 PM EST
                         There is no reality - (orion) - (11) - Nov. 26, 2002, 11:53:30 PM EST
                             Oh dear...here come the Vogons. - (bepatient) - Nov. 27, 2002, 12:42:05 AM EST
                             Well, God shouldn't have . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (9) - Nov. 27, 2002, 05:59:44 AM EST
                                 Well, put that way... - (folkert) - (8) - Nov. 27, 2002, 08:36:02 AM EST
                                     Prolly it's just that - (Ashton) - (7) - Nov. 27, 2002, 02:42:33 PM EST
                                         She Who Must Be Obeyed? - (admin) - (6) - Nov. 27, 2002, 03:11:09 PM EST
                                             Hubbard? Umm "Rumpole of the Bailey" - (Ashton) - (5) - Nov. 27, 2002, 03:29:30 PM EST
                                                 Haggard, sorry, and yes he did lift it: - (admin) - Nov. 27, 2002, 03:40:41 PM EST
                                                 And he played a wonderfully fallen character in "Ladyhawke". - (static) - (3) - Nov. 27, 2002, 09:57:33 PM EST
                                                     One of my all time favorite fantasy films. - (Silverlock) - (2) - Nov. 28, 2002, 12:35:56 AM EST
                                                         Rutger Haeur was upstaged. - (static) - Nov. 28, 2002, 08:29:53 PM EST
                                                         Pregnanat Molly Ivins sig there.. - (Ashton) - Nov. 29, 2002, 04:04:48 AM EST
                 There was a Dilbert (!) cartoon about that. - (static) - (2) - Oct. 14, 2002, 07:34:34 AM EDT
                     Found it. - (static) - (1) - Oct. 14, 2002, 08:36:02 AM EDT
                         Think it beats several examples of fuzzier logic - extant. -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 28, 2002, 03:08:33 AM EST
             "A physicist is just an atom's way of looking at itself." - (a6l6e6x) - Oct. 13, 2002, 12:36:51 PM EDT
         Down that road lies madness and despair. - (marlowe) - (2) - Oct. 13, 2002, 09:03:40 AM EDT
             OTOH it can be a perfectly workable intro - (Ashton) - Oct. 13, 2002, 05:14:29 PM EDT
             Unfortunately, that's the fact of the matter - (mhuber) - Oct. 14, 2002, 12:31:51 AM EDT
         Already covered - (Silverlock) - Oct. 18, 2002, 05:07:49 PM EDT
         You all forgot - (orion) - Oct. 27, 2002, 09:57:51 PM EST

We don't think of it as a rebellion. We call it "heavily armed stress leave."
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