"UNLESS IT WILL IMPROVE THE TEACHING FORCE"

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Post #65,201 by mmoffitt 11/26/02 3:52:47 PM Reply	"UNLESS IT WILL IMPROVE THE TEACHING FORCE" You think giving them decent salaries (i.e. competitive w/ Bizness positions) wouldn't have that effect?
Post #65,204 by inthane-chan 11/26/02 4:00:31 PM 11/26/02 4:01:01 PM Reply	Carrot AND stick, people, carrot AND stick... #1. You MUST raise teacher salaries. The folks who can get jobs elsewhere, are, unless they love it too much for their own good. #2. You MUST hold teachers accountable via some mechanism. Otherwise you get teachers like Mr. Hopkins, my Japanese teacher who passed me with an A 3 years straight, although I never quite got down the Hirigana/Katakana, let alone the first 100 Kanji... And couldn't even conjugate verbs properly. All he cared was that I played a decent game of Shogi. So, raise salaries, (which will increase the pool of applicants) and then get rid of the ones that don't produce. Do both at the same time. You done bitching at each other? Good. Edited by inthane-chan Nov. 26, 2002, 04:01:01 PM EST Expand All History
Post #65,206 by bepatient 11/26/02 4:04:36 PM Reply	Other post typed while mm was having an aneurysm ;) You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

Teachers salaries - (boxley) - (65) - Nov. 14, 2002, 02:35:29 PM EST

Perspective. - (bepatient) - (19) - Nov. 14, 2002, 02:49:42 PM EST

One of the problems: - (admin) - (18) - Nov. 14, 2002, 03:20:22 PM EST

Seconded. - (Simon_Jester) - Nov. 14, 2002, 03:39:00 PM EST

Popular rant, but be careful. - (mmoffitt) - (16) - Nov. 14, 2002, 07:04:16 PM EST

Not necessary to get rid of it, maybe... - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2002, 07:11:37 PM EST

Agree, but it is still about the money in many cases. - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:44:17 AM EST

Don't blame >that< on the current administration. - (bepatient) - (12) - Nov. 14, 2002, 10:14:27 PM EST

Speaking on the Canadian experience - (jake123) - Nov. 14, 2002, 10:52:48 PM EST

But not predating Ronnie Rayguns. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (10) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:45:54 AM EST

Oh yes it does. - (bepatient) - (9) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:55:14 AM EST

Hey, doober, I was IN COLLEGE in the 70's. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:57:50 AM EST

Well then... - (bepatient) - (5) - Nov. 15, 2002, 12:36:01 PM EST

Well said - (jake123) - (4) - Nov. 15, 2002, 01:01:57 PM EST

True... - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2002, 01:07:17 PM EST

That's the problem... - (jake123) - Nov. 15, 2002, 01:13:26 PM EST

Yes - (deSitter) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2002, 01:36:49 PM EST

..and some think there's no such thing as Cosmic Humor ?? -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 15, 2002, 06:28:13 PM EST

It was SOP for the Right - (mhuber) - (1) - Nov. 18, 2002, 12:40:10 PM EST

Never heard that little dance dismantled better! -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 18, 2002, 04:02:15 PM EST

What place for that in lower grades? - (wharris2) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:44:53 AM EST

Often up to the communities - (tuberculosis) - (8) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:16:13 AM EDT

Not in Texas - (SpiceWare) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2002, 05:43:49 PM EST

Thats communism - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:17:25 AM EDT

That was a long time ago in Southfield :-P - (admin) - (3) - Nov. 14, 2002, 06:17:09 PM EST

Yeah, all my old friends parents have moved to W Bloomfield - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:17:23 AM EDT

A Southfield teacher moved up near my parents - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2002, 06:48:01 PM EST

Oh, that is quite a bit different than I remember -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:17:27 AM EDT

Other Issues - (Steve Lowe) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2002, 06:29:36 PM EST

What we all need to remember. - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:52:37 AM EST

Re: during a teachers strike the first howl - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:32:25 AM EST

same difference - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:51:54 AM EST

I've found that if I hang around here long enough... - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:55:33 AM EST

Look at how many days and hours they actually work - (bluke) - (32) - Nov. 25, 2002, 12:01:13 PM EST

Er... depends on the teacher... - (admin) - (2) - Nov. 25, 2002, 12:05:21 PM EST

You left one bit off... - (inthane-chan) - Nov. 25, 2002, 01:00:05 PM EST

Talking from experience with the NYC Public School System - (bluke) - Nov. 26, 2002, 12:42:58 AM EST

I would have to agree, except - (Silverlock) - Nov. 25, 2002, 12:53:04 PM EST

And when you leave the office, my myopic friend, - (mmoffitt) - (27) - Nov. 25, 2002, 02:32:08 PM EST

part of the problem is for every teacher putting in 80 hrs - (boxley) - (25) - Nov. 25, 2002, 02:37:37 PM EST

The solution is not, then, - (mmoffitt) - (24) - Nov. 25, 2002, 02:47:33 PM EST

in the local paper op ed st petes times - (boxley) - (23) - Nov. 25, 2002, 03:46:27 PM EST

Dunno about Finland or Great Britain, but... - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 25, 2002, 04:34:49 PM EST

Try here - (Silverlock) - (21) - Nov. 25, 2002, 05:03:43 PM EST

extremely interesting, thanx -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 25, 2002, 06:25:41 PM EST

Thanks. Makes my point rather nicely. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (19) - Nov. 26, 2002, 10:58:55 AM EST

Not until... - (bepatient) - (18) - Nov. 26, 2002, 11:37:04 AM EST

I missed in the report where it said anything - (Simon_Jester) - (17) - Nov. 26, 2002, 01:00:33 PM EST

Useful Table. - (mmoffitt) - (16) - Nov. 26, 2002, 01:31:22 PM EST

Interesting table - but I - (Simon_Jester) - (13) - Nov. 26, 2002, 02:21:56 PM EST

You're right. You didn't miss it, twasn't there.You aren't - - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 26, 2002, 03:08:50 PM EST

What timing - (Silverlock) - (6) - Nov. 26, 2002, 03:10:42 PM EST

2/3 above us pay better. - (mmoffitt) - (5) - Nov. 26, 2002, 03:43:45 PM EST

I have no issue... - (bepatient) - (4) - Nov. 26, 2002, 04:00:47 PM EST

Re: "Triple their salary...That doesn't work" - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Nov. 27, 2002, 04:44:00 PM EST

Alaska from 1967 thru 1973 -NT - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 27, 2002, 04:48:12 PM EST

What were you paying them in 1966? - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Nov. 27, 2002, 04:52:28 PM EST

starting salary where? - (boxley) - Nov. 27, 2002, 05:20:35 PM EST

Re: Interesting table - but I - (bepatient) - (4) - Nov. 26, 2002, 03:49:24 PM EST

"UNLESS IT WILL IMPROVE THE TEACHING FORCE" - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Nov. 26, 2002, 03:52:47 PM EST

Carrot AND stick, people, carrot AND stick... - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Nov. 26, 2002, 04:01:01 PM EST

Other post typed while mm was having an aneurysm ;) -NT - (bepatient) - Nov. 26, 2002, 04:04:36 PM EST

Thank you -NT - (Simon_Jester) - Nov. 26, 2002, 04:32:21 PM EST

you missed the benefit package of the public sector - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 26, 2002, 07:20:24 PM EST

The "benefits" of public sector employment, in Washington... - (inthane-chan) - Nov. 26, 2002, 11:03:19 PM EST

Working from home is not necessarily a bad thing - (bluke) - Nov. 26, 2002, 03:23:28 AM EST

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