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Post #63,059
by bepatient
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11/15/02 12:36:01 PM
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New Well then...
...that makes us both old farts.

Theres no "code wording" going on. There's no "questioning of values". Since the 70s...the stratification may be getting worse...but its been there all along.

There are norms established. Get outside of those norms and you are rejected.

This trend has degenerated to such a point now that "zero tolerance" policies for childrens behavior are now normal and accepted. "You shall act like x...any deviation and you will be summarily rejected".

In addition..the truly liberal carry this to extreme..."If it offends >one< person...then it is offensive to all" and thus cannot be introduced...only ignored.

And thats just where we're at now...I can't wait to see it in 5 to 10 more years.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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Post #63,060
by jake123
11/15/02 1:01:57 PM
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New Well said
OTOH, in the interest of balance, I should point out that the right wing is just as bad. There are very strong conforming forces at work in North American society. The problem is that recently these forces are getting the backing of the state... which, after all, has the monopoly on force.
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Post #63,062
by bepatient
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11/15/02 1:07:17 PM
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New True...
...but that balance swings every 4 to 8 years (usually)

You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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Post #63,063
by jake123
11/15/02 1:13:26 PM
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New That's the problem...
I'm concerned that it's not going to anymore... that the real differences between the two sides have become so slight that it won't actually matter. That is... while homophobe on one side and rainbow coalition on the other doesn't really matter; the real sameness between them is that dissent is not permitted. Not just marginalised, permitted. That's the real issue at hand.

I truly believe that the US is at a major nexus in its history... I hope that you guys take the right path. Among other things... the path you take is going to have a huge impact on my society up here. When the mouse sleeps with an elephant, the mouse has to be aware of every nighttime rumble and turn (with apologies to P.E.T.).
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Post #63,066
by deSitter
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11/15/02 1:28:31 PM
11/15/02 1:36:49 PM
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New Yes
While hating Marx and the commies, we've become collectivists ourselves.
-drl
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Post #63,137
by Ashton
11/15/02 6:28:13 PM
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New ..and some think there's no such thing as Cosmic Humor ??
     Teachers salaries - (boxley) - (65) - Nov. 14, 2002, 02:35:29 PM EST
         Perspective. - (bepatient) - (19) - Nov. 14, 2002, 02:49:42 PM EST
             One of the problems: - (admin) - (18) - Nov. 14, 2002, 03:20:22 PM EST
                 Seconded. - (Simon_Jester) - Nov. 14, 2002, 03:39:00 PM EST
                 Popular rant, but be careful. - (mmoffitt) - (16) - Nov. 14, 2002, 07:04:16 PM EST
                     Not necessary to get rid of it, maybe... - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2002, 07:11:37 PM EST
                         Agree, but it is still about the money in many cases. - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:44:17 AM EST
                     Don't blame >that< on the current administration. - (bepatient) - (12) - Nov. 14, 2002, 10:14:27 PM EST
                         Speaking on the Canadian experience - (jake123) - Nov. 14, 2002, 10:52:48 PM EST
                         But not predating Ronnie Rayguns. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (10) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:45:54 AM EST
                             Oh yes it does. - (bepatient) - (9) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:55:14 AM EST
                                 Hey, doober, I was IN COLLEGE in the 70's. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:57:50 AM EST
                                     Well then... - (bepatient) - (5) - Nov. 15, 2002, 12:36:01 PM EST
                                         Well said - (jake123) - (4) - Nov. 15, 2002, 01:01:57 PM EST
                                             True... - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2002, 01:07:17 PM EST
                                                 That's the problem... - (jake123) - Nov. 15, 2002, 01:13:26 PM EST
                                             Yes - (deSitter) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2002, 01:36:49 PM EST
                                                 ..and some think there's no such thing as Cosmic Humor ?? -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 15, 2002, 06:28:13 PM EST
                                 It was SOP for the Right - (mhuber) - (1) - Nov. 18, 2002, 12:40:10 PM EST
                                     Never heard that little dance dismantled better! -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 18, 2002, 04:02:15 PM EST
                     What place for that in lower grades? - (wharris2) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:44:53 AM EST
         Often up to the communities - (tuberculosis) - (8) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:16:13 AM EDT
             Not in Texas - (SpiceWare) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2002, 05:43:49 PM EST
                 Thats communism - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:17:25 AM EDT
             That was a long time ago in Southfield :-P - (admin) - (3) - Nov. 14, 2002, 06:17:09 PM EST
                 Yeah, all my old friends parents have moved to W Bloomfield - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:17:23 AM EDT
                     A Southfield teacher moved up near my parents - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2002, 06:48:01 PM EST
                         Oh, that is quite a bit different than I remember -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:17:27 AM EDT
             Other Issues - (Steve Lowe) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2002, 06:29:36 PM EST
                 What we all need to remember. - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:52:37 AM EST
         Re: during a teachers strike the first howl - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:32:25 AM EST
             same difference - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:51:54 AM EST
                 I've found that if I hang around here long enough... - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 15, 2002, 11:55:33 AM EST
         Look at how many days and hours they actually work - (bluke) - (32) - Nov. 25, 2002, 12:01:13 PM EST
             Er... depends on the teacher... - (admin) - (2) - Nov. 25, 2002, 12:05:21 PM EST
                 You left one bit off... - (inthane-chan) - Nov. 25, 2002, 01:00:05 PM EST
                 Talking from experience with the NYC Public School System - (bluke) - Nov. 26, 2002, 12:42:58 AM EST
             I would have to agree, except - (Silverlock) - Nov. 25, 2002, 12:53:04 PM EST
             And when you leave the office, my myopic friend, - (mmoffitt) - (27) - Nov. 25, 2002, 02:32:08 PM EST
                 part of the problem is for every teacher putting in 80 hrs - (boxley) - (25) - Nov. 25, 2002, 02:37:37 PM EST
                     The solution is not, then, - (mmoffitt) - (24) - Nov. 25, 2002, 02:47:33 PM EST
                         in the local paper op ed st petes times - (boxley) - (23) - Nov. 25, 2002, 03:46:27 PM EST
                             Dunno about Finland or Great Britain, but... - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 25, 2002, 04:34:49 PM EST
                             Try here - (Silverlock) - (21) - Nov. 25, 2002, 05:03:43 PM EST
                                 extremely interesting, thanx -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 25, 2002, 06:25:41 PM EST
                                 Thanks. Makes my point rather nicely. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (19) - Nov. 26, 2002, 10:58:55 AM EST
                                     Not until... - (bepatient) - (18) - Nov. 26, 2002, 11:37:04 AM EST
                                         I missed in the report where it said anything - (Simon_Jester) - (17) - Nov. 26, 2002, 01:00:33 PM EST
                                             Useful Table. - (mmoffitt) - (16) - Nov. 26, 2002, 01:31:22 PM EST
                                                 Interesting table - but I - (Simon_Jester) - (13) - Nov. 26, 2002, 02:21:56 PM EST
                                                     You're right. You didn't miss it, twasn't there.You aren't - - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 26, 2002, 03:08:50 PM EST
                                                     What timing - (Silverlock) - (6) - Nov. 26, 2002, 03:10:42 PM EST
                                                         2/3 above us pay better. - (mmoffitt) - (5) - Nov. 26, 2002, 03:43:45 PM EST
                                                             I have no issue... - (bepatient) - (4) - Nov. 26, 2002, 04:00:47 PM EST
                                                                 Re: "Triple their salary...That doesn't work" - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Nov. 27, 2002, 04:44:00 PM EST
                                                                     Alaska from 1967 thru 1973 -NT - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 27, 2002, 04:48:12 PM EST
                                                                         What were you paying them in 1966? - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Nov. 27, 2002, 04:52:28 PM EST
                                                                             starting salary where? - (boxley) - Nov. 27, 2002, 05:20:35 PM EST
                                                     Re: Interesting table - but I - (bepatient) - (4) - Nov. 26, 2002, 03:49:24 PM EST
                                                         "UNLESS IT WILL IMPROVE THE TEACHING FORCE" - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Nov. 26, 2002, 03:52:47 PM EST
                                                             Carrot AND stick, people, carrot AND stick... - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Nov. 26, 2002, 04:01:01 PM EST
                                                                 Other post typed while mm was having an aneurysm ;) -NT - (bepatient) - Nov. 26, 2002, 04:04:36 PM EST
                                                         Thank you -NT - (Simon_Jester) - Nov. 26, 2002, 04:32:21 PM EST
                                                 you missed the benefit package of the public sector - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 26, 2002, 07:20:24 PM EST
                                                     The "benefits" of public sector employment, in Washington... - (inthane-chan) - Nov. 26, 2002, 11:03:19 PM EST
                 Working from home is not necessarily a bad thing - (bluke) - Nov. 26, 2002, 03:23:28 AM EST

Hey, that's MY pie.
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