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I think the issues that Bill's pointed out above are more the reason for school funding initiatives getting voted down than a selfish or unwillingness for schools to excel. The attitude is more of "throwing good money after bad...FIX the problems and we'll give you more" type of thing.

Unfortunately, the teacher's union won't hear of anything that challenges their members' competence, or asks for accountability. Equally unfortunate is the administrators' unwillingness to concede that the management of schools is bloate, overly bureaucratic, and generally out of touch.

There's issues on both sides..and I think voters are tired of the bickering amongst administrators and the NEA; and watching the waste.
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Steve
New What we all need to remember.
I tell my kids this all the time: "You and you alone are responsible for your education." My uncle, a retired principal gave me some of the best advice I've ever received when I was trying to decide where to go to college. He said, "Look. You can get an Ivy League education at a State or even Junior College. And you can get a high school education in the Ivy League. It's up to you." One of the more disturbing things I see is the trend in pop culture to indict teachers for the failure of their students. It's not all the teacher's fault, folks. And we'd do well to remember that.
     Teachers salaries - (boxley) - (65)
         Perspective. - (bepatient) - (19)
             One of the problems: - (admin) - (18)
                 Seconded. - (Simon_Jester)
                 Popular rant, but be careful. - (mmoffitt) - (16)
                     Not necessary to get rid of it, maybe... - (admin) - (1)
                         Agree, but it is still about the money in many cases. - (mmoffitt)
                     Don't blame >that< on the current administration. - (bepatient) - (12)
                         Speaking on the Canadian experience - (jake123)
                         But not predating Ronnie Rayguns. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (10)
                             Oh yes it does. - (bepatient) - (9)
                                 Hey, doober, I was IN COLLEGE in the 70's. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                                     Well then... - (bepatient) - (5)
                                         Well said - (jake123) - (4)
                                             True... - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                 That's the problem... - (jake123)
                                             Yes - (deSitter) - (1)
                                                 ..and some think there's no such thing as Cosmic Humor ?? -NT - (Ashton)
                                 It was SOP for the Right - (mhuber) - (1)
                                     Never heard that little dance dismantled better! -NT - (Ashton)
                     What place for that in lower grades? - (wharris2)
         Often up to the communities - (tuberculosis) - (8)
             Not in Texas - (SpiceWare) - (1)
                 Thats communism - (tuberculosis)
             That was a long time ago in Southfield :-P - (admin) - (3)
                 Yeah, all my old friends parents have moved to W Bloomfield - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                     A Southfield teacher moved up near my parents - (admin) - (1)
                         Oh, that is quite a bit different than I remember -NT - (tuberculosis)
             Other Issues - (Steve Lowe) - (1)
                 What we all need to remember. - (mmoffitt)
         Re: during a teachers strike the first howl - (mmoffitt) - (2)
             same difference - (boxley) - (1)
                 I've found that if I hang around here long enough... - (mmoffitt)
         Look at how many days and hours they actually work - (bluke) - (32)
             Er... depends on the teacher... - (admin) - (2)
                 You left one bit off... - (inthane-chan)
                 Talking from experience with the NYC Public School System - (bluke)
             I would have to agree, except - (Silverlock)
             And when you leave the office, my myopic friend, - (mmoffitt) - (27)
                 part of the problem is for every teacher putting in 80 hrs - (boxley) - (25)
                     The solution is not, then, - (mmoffitt) - (24)
                         in the local paper op ed st petes times - (boxley) - (23)
                             Dunno about Finland or Great Britain, but... - (mmoffitt)
                             Try here - (Silverlock) - (21)
                                 extremely interesting, thanx -NT - (boxley)
                                 Thanks. Makes my point rather nicely. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (19)
                                     Not until... - (bepatient) - (18)
                                         I missed in the report where it said anything - (Simon_Jester) - (17)
                                             Useful Table. - (mmoffitt) - (16)
                                                 Interesting table - but I - (Simon_Jester) - (13)
                                                     You're right. You didn't miss it, twasn't there.You aren't - - (mmoffitt)
                                                     What timing - (Silverlock) - (6)
                                                         2/3 above us pay better. - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                                                             I have no issue... - (bepatient) - (4)
                                                                 Re: "Triple their salary...That doesn't work" - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                                     Alaska from 1967 thru 1973 -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                         What were you paying them in 1966? - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                             starting salary where? - (boxley)
                                                     Re: Interesting table - but I - (bepatient) - (4)
                                                         "UNLESS IT WILL IMPROVE THE TEACHING FORCE" - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                             Carrot AND stick, people, carrot AND stick... - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                                                 Other post typed while mm was having an aneurysm ;) -NT - (bepatient)
                                                         Thank you -NT - (Simon_Jester)
                                                 you missed the benefit package of the public sector - (boxley) - (1)
                                                     The "benefits" of public sector employment, in Washington... - (inthane-chan)
                 Working from home is not necessarily a bad thing - (bluke)

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