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New Re: No slider widget for $
> I wish it was possible to negotiate that way. If you lowball, then they are
> usually suspicious.

Heh. Well, I didn't mean money wasn't a priority at all. :-)

It's just not the reason I chose to get into programming in the first place, and a higher salary is something that I'm willing to forego in place of other things (flexible hours, enjoyable/interesting subject matter, the freedom to work on self-directed projects, coworkers I enjoy collaborating with, etc.).

I had almost everything at NWA (including decent pay and flight bennies that I didn't use), which is one reason why I want to go back. Eventually.

> BTW, I am seriously thinking about standing out on the street corner with a
> sign that says "will program for min. wage!". If I don't get some revenue
> stream soon, my wife will increase the pressure to either take on more house
> work (which I dread), or bag grocories (which bores the sh8t out of me).

I already vacuum and do the bathrooms and litterboxes, but I did that before I was axed. I don't mind it as much as she does. :-)
--
[link|http://www.visi.com/~rsteiner|-Rich Steiner] (OS/2 and Linux user in Eden Prairie, MN)
The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.
New It isn't whether you mind it more...
It is whether you mind it more than you mind her minding it. :-)

/duck
Ben
"Perl is like vice grips. You can do anything with it, and it's the wrong tool for every job."
--Unknown
New Heh...
Yes, you're right. :-)
--
[link|http://www.visi.com/~rsteiner|-Rich Steiner] (OS/2 and Linux user in Eden Prairie, MN)
The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.
     Unemployed programmer seeking advice... (Is that all <g>) - (rsteiner) - (62)
         Your list looks OK - (wharris2) - (2)
             Good thoughts... Thanks! - (rsteiner) - (1)
                 c and perl on solaris and linux - (boxley)
         The "in thing" now is canning programmers - (tablizer) - (9)
             IT Rust Belt - by Bob Lewis - (tablizer) - (8)
                 Key point - (broomberg)
                 Writing code is *FUN* for me... - (rsteiner) - (6)
                     Ditto here. - (inthane-chan)
                     I love coding, BUT... - (gdaustin)
                     No slider widget for $ - (tablizer) - (3)
                         Re: No slider widget for $ - (rsteiner) - (2)
                             It isn't whether you mind it more... - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                 Heh... - (rsteiner)
         Re: Unemployed programmer seeking advice... - (admin) - (8)
             DB2 versus Oracle - (tablizer) - (1)
                 But tab - you're a shoe in! - (gdaustin)
             Where to get Oracle? - (lincoln) - (5)
                 Re: Where to get Oracle? - (admin) - (4)
                     Which is why I like Oracle - (orion) - (3)
                         unless you count time - (tablizer) - (2)
                             Overpaid DBAs? - (broomberg) - (1)
                                 One More Thing - (gdaustin)
         Not a bad list - (tuberculosis) - (2)
             nit fuel - (tablizer) - (1)
                 Yes but those people are wrong :-P -NT - (tuberculosis)
         Unsuprisingly I will suggest picking up a scripting language - (ben_tilly) - (5)
             Thanks, Ben... - (rsteiner) - (4)
                 Re: Thanks, Ben... - (broomberg) - (3)
                     Why not? - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                         Dunno - (broomberg) - (1)
                             Perhaps... - (ben_tilly)
         Teach? - (andread) - (1)
             Not for me, I'm afraid... - (rsteiner)
         Hi! - (deSitter) - (3)
             Requirements for the IT jobs - (orion)
             Hullo! - (rsteiner) - (1)
                 Boo Hoo OS/2 - (deSitter)
         My biased opinion: - (broomberg) - (16)
             Be Specific - (deSitter) - (2)
                 Re: Be Specific - (broomberg) - (1)
                     Danke -NT - (deSitter)
             Re: My biased opinion: - (rsteiner) - (3)
                 Re: My biased opinion: - (broomberg) - (2)
                     Only consider 'C' if you're interested in embedded prog. -NT - (tonytib) - (1)
                         C is still guts of lots of stuff - (wharris2)
             Don't master many, but at least be exposed to several? - (ben_tilly) - (8)
                 I wouldn't - (broomberg) - (7)
                     Query - (ben_tilly) - (6)
                         Poor example - (broomberg) - (5)
                             Haggling - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                 It's in my blood, I have to - (broomberg) - (3)
                                     I think you missed my reference - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                         Ahh, ye of little HR experience - (broomberg) - (1)
                                             I would like to believe... - (ben_tilly)
         Try SouthWest Airlines... - (gdaustin) - (5)
             Heh. - (rsteiner) - (4)
                 You might check out the Seagate & such - (tonytib) - (1)
                     It's a thought -- I'll check it out. - (rsteiner)
                 Might try ING or Wells Fargo - (gdaustin) - (1)
                     Not really... - (rsteiner)
         This made me think of you - (broomberg) - (1)
             Heh. :-) - (rsteiner)

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