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(* because they give developers a free copy to learn from... *)

I tried that once, and kept getting "listener" errors. Packaging a complex product with complex interprocess mechanisms meant for overpaid DBA's into a plug-n-play CD set does not seem to work too well.

Software that takes up 3 CD's is bound to be a monster.
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Expand Edited by tablizer July 31, 2002, 11:06:26 PM EDT
New Overpaid DBAs?
Maybe.
Or maybe well valued.
Either way, it is a good skillset,
but with limited jobs open you
really have to work hard to get
a position.

I'm not a DBA (I pretend to be one
when the real DBA isn't around), but
it takes me about 10 minutes to install
and setup a sample running Oracle instance
with the current setup. You no longer
have to "create" a database, it copies
a precreated one for you.

Since I hand crafted my system, it
takes about 2 hours for a real one.
New One More Thing
(Favorite saying of Uncle from Jackie Chan Adventures, a cartoon that my kids watch)

It is niiicceee to be the overpaid DBA. I'm one! And certified, too!

One More Thing

Companies care about nothing but money. Government cares about data retention. Who do you think wins? Records must be kept. Too expensive to keep them in files, database perfect job! Programs come and go, but data stays around at least for government required retention period.

One More Thing

Do not badmouth my profffeeeessssiiiiooonnnn!

(I'm really getting into this Uncle thing...)

Glen Austin
(Aka Uncle)
(should I change my handle?)
     Unemployed programmer seeking advice... (Is that all <g>) - (rsteiner) - (62)
         Your list looks OK - (wharris2) - (2)
             Good thoughts... Thanks! - (rsteiner) - (1)
                 c and perl on solaris and linux - (boxley)
         The "in thing" now is canning programmers - (tablizer) - (9)
             IT Rust Belt - by Bob Lewis - (tablizer) - (8)
                 Key point - (broomberg)
                 Writing code is *FUN* for me... - (rsteiner) - (6)
                     Ditto here. - (inthane-chan)
                     I love coding, BUT... - (gdaustin)
                     No slider widget for $ - (tablizer) - (3)
                         Re: No slider widget for $ - (rsteiner) - (2)
                             It isn't whether you mind it more... - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                 Heh... - (rsteiner)
         Re: Unemployed programmer seeking advice... - (admin) - (8)
             DB2 versus Oracle - (tablizer) - (1)
                 But tab - you're a shoe in! - (gdaustin)
             Where to get Oracle? - (lincoln) - (5)
                 Re: Where to get Oracle? - (admin) - (4)
                     Which is why I like Oracle - (orion) - (3)
                         unless you count time - (tablizer) - (2)
                             Overpaid DBAs? - (broomberg) - (1)
                                 One More Thing - (gdaustin)
         Not a bad list - (tuberculosis) - (2)
             nit fuel - (tablizer) - (1)
                 Yes but those people are wrong :-P -NT - (tuberculosis)
         Unsuprisingly I will suggest picking up a scripting language - (ben_tilly) - (5)
             Thanks, Ben... - (rsteiner) - (4)
                 Re: Thanks, Ben... - (broomberg) - (3)
                     Why not? - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                         Dunno - (broomberg) - (1)
                             Perhaps... - (ben_tilly)
         Teach? - (andread) - (1)
             Not for me, I'm afraid... - (rsteiner)
         Hi! - (deSitter) - (3)
             Requirements for the IT jobs - (orion)
             Hullo! - (rsteiner) - (1)
                 Boo Hoo OS/2 - (deSitter)
         My biased opinion: - (broomberg) - (16)
             Be Specific - (deSitter) - (2)
                 Re: Be Specific - (broomberg) - (1)
                     Danke -NT - (deSitter)
             Re: My biased opinion: - (rsteiner) - (3)
                 Re: My biased opinion: - (broomberg) - (2)
                     Only consider 'C' if you're interested in embedded prog. -NT - (tonytib) - (1)
                         C is still guts of lots of stuff - (wharris2)
             Don't master many, but at least be exposed to several? - (ben_tilly) - (8)
                 I wouldn't - (broomberg) - (7)
                     Query - (ben_tilly) - (6)
                         Poor example - (broomberg) - (5)
                             Haggling - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                 It's in my blood, I have to - (broomberg) - (3)
                                     I think you missed my reference - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                         Ahh, ye of little HR experience - (broomberg) - (1)
                                             I would like to believe... - (ben_tilly)
         Try SouthWest Airlines... - (gdaustin) - (5)
             Heh. - (rsteiner) - (4)
                 You might check out the Seagate & such - (tonytib) - (1)
                     It's a thought -- I'll check it out. - (rsteiner)
                 Might try ING or Wells Fargo - (gdaustin) - (1)
                     Not really... - (rsteiner)
         This made me think of you - (broomberg) - (1)
             Heh. :-) - (rsteiner)

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