Was any research actually conducted?

Post #44,254 by Silverlock 7/2/02 1:22:38 PM Reply	Was any research actually conducted? I like to think he isn't just giving an opinion and supporting it with numbers pulled out of his ass. It could be hard to verify the contention that 'conservative' is used to describe more often than 'liberal' on network news. Where are the transcripts? What is the source of the study he used to get these numbers? For a different take, and with methodology explained, try [link\|http://www.prospect.org/print/V13/8/nunberg-g.html\|this] survey of print articles. "We are patriotic citizens too. Patriotism means 'love of country', caring about its people, its ecosystem, and others around us. Not giving blind loyalty and a blank check to George W. Bush. We are patriotic enough to care about the long term effects instead of just the short term gain. Therefore it is our patriotic duty to guard our country and our constitution against people and forces hiding behind the flag." -Jello Biafra
Post #44,265 by bepatient 7/2/02 2:37:06 PM Reply	Goldberg appears... ...to be giving anectodal evidence...what he >felt< on the inside. The website looked as if they hac conducted a study or 2. You would be very hard pressed to tell me that there isn't liberal bias in print...at least the Philadelphia Inquirer. They don't even pretend. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #44,273 by Silverlock 7/2/02 4:23:38 PM Reply	That's not what I'm saying Of course individual news orgs have their own bias. Left or right. Just as individual reporters have their own bias. The rightwing campaign to label "the media" as having a liberal bias is where my objection lies. After 10 years of enduring "the media's" fascination with Clinton's zipper I find it hard to see the liberal bias so often touted. I think even you will admit to the rightwing bias found on radio (in general, on syndicated talk shows). As for television, can you say "Monica"? My anecdotal evidence is that I >feel< the TV news and opinion shows are saturated with conservative viewpoints. I will give you one thing, though. The entertainment shows are skewed liberal by a large margin. "We are patriotic citizens too. Patriotism means 'love of country', caring about its people, its ecosystem, and others around us. Not giving blind loyalty and a blank check to George W. Bush. We are patriotic enough to care about the long term effects instead of just the short term gain. Therefore it is our patriotic duty to guard our country and our constitution against people and forces hiding behind the flag." -Jello Biafra
Post #44,349 by mmoffitt 7/3/02 11:31:08 AM Reply	America is bi-polar. I will give you one thing, though. The entertainment shows are skewed liberal by a large margin. This is the thing that fascinates me the most. Given a choice to watch something that is "the way we want things to be" Muricans always prefer the liberal to the conservative. We want the real west wing to be like the tv show, we want a President and White House staff like the fictional one (smart, concerned with the little guy, and liberal). The producers of all tv shows know that conservative views are unpopular (with cause, I might add). Yet, there is an alarming number of Muricans who vote for conservatives who are no where near wealthy enough to benefit from any of their policies. It makes no sense: they want liberal and vote conservative.
Post #44,403 by Ashton 7/3/02 4:49:56 PM Reply	To the extent that is true.. I don't think you can ignore the "self-flagellation" component of Puritanism ie "if I vote for what I Really Want... I might experience pleasure.. Sample re (IIRC) a Sinclair Lewis novel, in which is decribed an autocrat with his family at dinner. The kid doesn't want to eat _x_ and the father wants him to. Finally wife says, "oh let him eat what he wants..!" Father explodes, "IN MY ENTIRE LIFE I'VE NEVER DONE A SINGLE THING I WANTED TO DO.." Yes exaggerated, yet - have heard such a rationale (once stripped of self-serving euphemism) in those 'explaining'.. how it was that, serially they chose: abusive spouses. As below so above (to paraphrase). Funny species. Ashton
Post #44,405 by mmoffitt 7/3/02 4:59:39 PM Reply	Good Point and one I hadn't considered. I guess that's why so much of Christian doctrine makes no sense to me.
Post #44,274 by screamer 7/2/02 4:52:04 PM Reply	Interesting you should post that link... when I did a Google search I found this link... [link\|http://www.mrc.org/realitycheck/2002/fax20020625.asp\|eerie, huh?] Like Mark Twain says... There are lies, damn lies and statistics Or even better... (They) use statistics like a drunk uses a lamppost. More for support than illumination. Just a few thoughts, Screamer
Post #44,285 by screamer 7/2/02 6:27:09 PM Reply	The only one that comes close to as many hits as Media Research is Fair Play (www.fair.org) using other search engines. Most of these sites link to eachother. Either this is a grass roots web effort, or there is something fishy about this... I read a bunch of articles on Fair Play and have to admit, it's hard to defend Brokaw, Rather and the Today Show. It's pretty obvious that these anchors have an agenda. The thing that pisses me off the most in all of this, is that these folks are completely mislabled. There is no liberal media bias, there is a Democratic Party media bias. As a liberal, it pisses me off to be associated with the Democratic party with such a broad brush. There hasn't been a liberal bias in this country since the 30's. /Rant Just a few thoughts, Screamer You need rhino skin If you're gonna begin To walk Through this world You need elephant balls If you don't want to crawl On your hands Through this world Oh my love if I reveal Every secret I've concealed How many thoughts would you steal How much of my pain would you feel You need eagles wings To get over things That make no sense In this world You need rhino skin If you're gonna pretend You're not hurt by this world If you listen long enough You can hear my skin grow tough Love is painful to the touch Must be made of stronger stuff You need rhino skin To get to the end Of the maze through this world You need rhino skin Or you're gonna give in To the needles and pins The arrows of sin The evils of men You need rhino skin T. Petty - Rhino Skin
Post #44,296 by Ashton 7/2/02 9:03:52 PM Reply	Close enough.. I think it's all covered in the Confucius quote re the consequences of (not) correcting language. (I posted full quote eons ago in IWE) ie. once language itself has been corrupted - beyond some highly arguable point? - communication fails. We don't need Confucius, to list the "things which remain undone" when finally, ..justice goes astray. The people stand about in helpless confusion. Hence it matters above all else that language be correct. We've become a Nation of illiterates, exposed to blaring noise most waking hours - and most of us are: utterly and unprecedentedly! unfamiliar with the founding documents' Names! let alone the content and (The Federalist Papers) and the debates.. yada yada. What could you call our next Prospects except: A Crap Shoot? Ashton

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