Post #414,708
10/21/16 9:20:57 AM
10/21/16 9:20:57 AM
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Whatabout whatabout whatabout ... nope, can't answer can you?
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Post #414,710
10/21/16 9:44:14 AM
10/21/16 9:44:14 AM
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Gorbachev did in seven years what the CIA could not in 70. The collapse was a catastrophe.
bcnu, Mikem
We read one day, We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But if a man doesn't have a job or an income, he has neither life, nor liberty, nor the pursuit of happiness. He merely exists. MLK
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Post #414,711
10/21/16 10:26:50 AM
10/21/16 10:26:50 AM
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Redux
Q: When was this glorious age when peasants and workers ran the world again?
A: It's coming. Russia, October 1917 was only a promo.
Explain.
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Post #414,713
10/21/16 10:45:29 AM
10/21/16 10:45:29 AM
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just a late model of the 1789 uprising
always look out for number one and don't step in number two
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Post #414,716
10/21/16 11:49:46 AM
10/21/16 11:49:46 AM
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Sheesh. Two things.
First, what part of "It's coming" is ambiguous? Has the peasant class ever ruled? No. But that doesn't mean there won't be some point in the future where they will rise - just as they did in Russia. Reagan set us on a path to polarize wealth to virtually the same extent that existed in Tsarist Russia and no president, no Senate, no House since has done anything to reverse that trend. It works, for a while, but when the peasants get hungry...
Second, and perhaps more importantly, did you miss the wink? Interesting that you left it out of the post quoting me.
bcnu, Mikem
We read one day, We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But if a man doesn't have a job or an income, he has neither life, nor liberty, nor the pursuit of happiness. He merely exists. MLK
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Post #414,718
10/21/16 11:59:09 AM
10/21/16 11:59:09 AM
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I missed the joke*
So you agree the peasants have never ruled. But your example (of the next best thing? closest we've ever come?) hasn't ended well for the peasants.
Yay for the peasants overthrowing the czars, I guess. But if that just leads to the oligarchs, I wouldn't exactly point to it as something to try again.
* Not missed as in "didn't see it" but missed as in "didn't think it was funny".
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Post #414,725
10/21/16 1:58:30 PM
10/21/16 1:58:30 PM
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When the peasants get hungry...
...they rise, overthrow the ruling class, and replace the ruling class with their own ruling class. Only now, it's just called The Party.
And the people at the bottom keep on getting fucked, because what goes around, comes around.
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Post #414,727
10/21/16 3:06:47 PM
10/21/16 3:06:47 PM
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Re: Gorbachev did in seven years what the CIA could not in 70...
I'm with you as far as the demise of the USSR having been in broad terms a Bad Thing (for them and for us: the removal of that ideological counterweight has led to some particularly vicious excesses on the part of emboldened late-stage capitalism), but your facile quip attributes to the Central Intelligence Agency a mastery of the space-time continuum it never possessed (or so they'd have us believe), given that it had been chartered just forty-four years earlier by the time the commies folded.
in solidarity,
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Post #414,729
10/21/16 4:44:55 PM
10/21/16 4:51:29 PM
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I stole the line.
I'd have attributed it if I knew the original source. My father told me many Russians he'd spoken with in the mid-1990's were fond of saying that. I believe the "70 years" refers to how long the USSR existed (it didn't quite see its 70th birthday, but close enough for jazz, as they say). That the CIA's intention was always to destroy it, I think, cannot be disputed.
bcnu, Mikem
We read one day, We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But if a man doesn't have a job or an income, he has neither life, nor liberty, nor the pursuit of happiness. He merely exists. MLK
Edited by mmoffitt
Oct. 21, 2016, 04:51:29 PM EDT
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